Please help me decide which of these methods to use for RATS

[henryraven86]

My grandfather had the same problem once he tried alot of things got frustrated when they didn't work so he decided to grow
Beans in the garden he cooked a bowl of beans left it out after a week he found most of them dead since mice can't fart.lol

 

[myback40]

Thanks, Flock Master. Have you observed how long it takes for them to drown? Pardon my lack of courage, but if I went out to the chicken run in the morning and heard rats splashing around and struggling to stay afloat, I think I might have nightmares for a month. Combination of having had pet mice as a child and just being overly sensitive I guess.

Thanks again!

 

[myback40]

Thanks so much CarlF for your input! I really appreciate it.

deCon would be a dream come true if we didn't have so much wildlife I'm trying to protect, plus other pets who do stray onto our property. Secondary poisoning is just too likely. In fact our friends down the road who raise sheep lost a champion border collie who ate a poisoned, dead rat in 2015.

In answer to your question, they eat the plaster of paris because it gets mixed with corn meal (or other food). It sounds like it would take longer than drowning, so I'm not sure I'd try it.

I did use Victor Rat Snap traps. Tried peanut butter, bacon, and bits of apple, alone and in combination. Same with my electronic zapper. These **** rats are smart, and unlike the mouse population (who seem to explore any possible food and are easy to kill) they just wouldn't touch it.

Thanks for the advice about the pellet gun. Seriously considering it.

Best wishes and thanks again for your advice!

 

[myback40]

Thanks for the very interesting post! I am considering one of these (not being handy at soldering as you seem to be): http://www.livetrap.com/index.php?dispatch=products.view&product_id=31411

I would then be faced with submersing the trapped rats under water for 2-3 minutes, which I think I could handle. I wish I could avoid spending $33 and just make a bottle/bucket trap, but I read that some rats are excellent swimmers and it might take a very long, anguishing time to drown.

Or I can shoot them, as you do. We have an air rifle, but if we decide to shoot the rats we catch, would that be too unwieldy? A pellet pistol-- yet another expense but perhaps it's worth it. Do you use a pistol or rifle?

What to do, what to do.

Thanks very much!

 

[Flock Master64]

Hi! I'm feeling your pain with the rat situation. We've been receiving more precipitation than normal for a couple years and we were flooded in 2014. It seems that it drove all the rats onto our yard site...lol. If you have lawn...keeping the grass trimmed and short 100% of the time helps keep them exposed, which they don't like. It works wonders with keeping mice at bay. But it still doesn't get rid of either species. We've used the snap traps; my husband has had moderate success with those. I've had moderate success with the smaller catch and release traps. Between the two of us we've caught over 30 rats. Now it's a competition to see who's going to catch the most. I've been purchasing the two pack traps and didn't know what to use the small ones for but set them with marshmellows. To my surprise I started catching rats! The trap is 24X7X7. Unfortunately it catches only one at a time. But I've caught 3 rats in one day in the same cage just by emptying and resetting. I plan to make some multi-catch traps, based loosely on the multi-catch sparrow traps/multi-catch rat traps which are very close to the same thing. I just haven't got my soldering gun out yet. You can check them out on you tube. Of course with my method, one has to deal with the rats after catching them. My preference is the pellet gun, one shot how I do it...so very quick and they don't know what happened. I don't want them to suffer unnecessarily either. On the odd occasion I may have to hose down the trap. That's it. Personally, I wish they'd just go live happily in the fields. They aren't a problem out there. :/

You can solder? Awesome! Me too

 

[Wickedchicken6]

Thanks for the very interesting post! I am considering one of these (not being handy at soldering as you seem to be): http://www.livetrap.com/index.php?dispatch=products.view&product_id=31411

I would then be faced with submersing the trapped rats under water for 2-3 minutes, which I think I could handle. I wish I could avoid spending $33 and just make a bottle/bucket trap, but I read that some rats are excellent swimmers and it might take a very long, anguishing time to drown.

Or I can shoot them, as you do. We have an air rifle, but if we decide to shoot the rats we catch, would that be too unwieldy? A pellet pistol-- yet another expense but perhaps it's worth it. Do you use a pistol or rifle?

What to do, what to do.

Thanks very much!

WARNING: Graphic description in following post.

The traps I see for sale in the U.S., and like the one you're considering seem to be considerably heavy in their build. I like that. I've had raccoons bend the trip on the bottom by pulling stuff into the trap. At least the rats don't damage anything.

I should note that with this trap, you may not catch the rats 100% of the time. You're already aware of how smart they can be. Right now I seem to have a couple who can get in, eat my marshmallows and get back out without getting caught. For these I will step it up to using tootsie rolls. They seem to harden and it's harder for them to eat it without tripping the trap. Hubby seems to have good luck on his snap traps with tootsie rolls...lol.

I have never submersed an animal in that manner. I not sure I could do it that way when they're live. I use a pellet rifle and shoot them in the cage. They are incredible climbers and will be all over the inside of the cage whether you have it flat or setting upright. Hubby and I "have" moved a live rat to the live bait cage for my coyote trap...but it takes at least two people and you've got to be really careful. Rats are extremely fast, they'll be out of any opening like a flash!

I dispatch the rats the same as I dispatch most other animals; barrel at (or pointed at in a rats case) the base of the back of the skull so the pellet will be aimed into the middle of the skull. I've provided a pic below. Normally the rat is looking down so it's an easier angle. This is the only pic that showed the rat so clearly from the side. It's the cleanest shot, there's usually very little blood (which I like very much) and it usually takes just one shot. The pupils dilate and there may be a few kicks from nerves and that's usually it. The animal is gone almost instantly. I've dispatched everything from cows to sheep to mice this way and it's my preferred method if shooting is required. I use a different method for hands on like baby lambs, pigs or baby chicks.

I have had a couple of rats who would climb the cage on whatever side I was on and they had to be shot from the front between the eyes. They kick more and there may be more blood involved. I hope this was not too gruesome a description. I wanted to be honest with what I do and with what you may encounter.

 

[Wickedchicken6]

Quote: That's awesome!! I used to weld in school too but I never continued using the skill because we had family members who welded. The guys used to hog the welder so I didn't get as much time with it...but I had one of the nicest, clean beads on my welded items...lol.

 

[Flock Master64]

This is my latest project

 

[Little Fuzzy]

I agree the rats are much smarter than the mice. They wouldn't go in my electric trap either.

 

[Little Fuzzy]

I think I would bait the trapped rat with poison then wait till he died, then you don't have to worry about secondary poisoning.