Possibility of my son attending school with a murderer

[Momma_Cluck]

From what I saw in the news.. the statement about spankings was never released to the public by the family, and could be rumor... and they said the "room mate" was supposedly on the couch when shot???? Never heard that he "called him in" from somewhere..

if he did-- no, that is not normal-- it is the sign of a severely abused kid who can't take anymore.

And NO-- this soon after... he should NOT be in school already.
He should be in full-time counseling as I stated before....
and I still think it is up to the other parents to "call" the school on this... as I said before-- there are LAWS about these things... the psych evals are available to the school- and parents need to DEMAND to have WRITTEN CONFIRMATION that the kid is not a threat.

 

[morelcabin]

Written confirmation means nothing...sorry but the psych's can't even get to the bottom of what is wrong with most of these kids, never mind make the conclusion that all is well in a case like this one...

 

[redhen]

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youre right there! most of those evals are a big joke...although, with a 9 year old it is a little bit easier to figure them out...but with an older teen...lol..forget it! by that age thay already know exactly what to say..and how to say it.........i had an awesome Psych doctor tell me once ( i work with high risk teens, for those who didnt know) you just never know what they will do!...you can NEVER let down your guard with them! ... and he pulled me aside and told me to have him removed from my house...that he didnt want to see another familys house set fire to... and that hed seen it to many times... but,that it wasnt something he could exactly put on a piece of paper.(because there is ALOT to diagnosing a kid a sociopath)...but he felt it in his gut...and he wanted to warn me! *wanna talk about getting the goose bumps!* and you know what happend? i felt bad for the kid...and kept him..and like 6 months later i got a phone call from the foster care company....the kid was planning to kill us..he told his therapist in detail how he was going to do it..he is in residental now...and still calls us...we were like the only family he ever had...but..he didnt like house rules...he didnt like that he got caught stealing from the convience store on his way to school in the mornings...and that i made him go to the store and tell the manager what he did...you see...he was a sociopath...and i foiled his little game of stealing things in the mornings and selling them at school..(just like how he pushed his step mother down a flight of stairs one day because she got him mad..)..... .... also..what this 8 yr old kid did was not normal for an abused kid....i see sooo many abuse files...i mean kids with broken hips from parental sexual abuse... they never killed their parents...they ran away.. or they acted out and got in trouble alot... or they were depressed and reclusive...maybe they started to experment with drugs at an early age.....Soooo....even if the child was abused...and thats why he did it.....there is still a VERY HIGH risk that he will act out in violence again....some time in some way....and you know what?...he'll plan it....like he planned to kill his dad when he got to 1000 spankings....

 

[Judy]

I think that what we have to look at here is whether the system can actually even evaluate the potential for violence accurately, never mind deal with it effectively. I don't think we have that capability. I am also highly suspicious that we will continue to try to "mainstream" psychopathic, or sociopathic, people, despite the known fact that there is no therapy that will alter that trait.

I would homeschool in a heartbeat, in this situation.

 

[shelleyd2008]

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That's what I was wondering as well. I can't imagine a child of that age doing something like this, and it seems like there are more and more instances of these types of things everyday.

It's a terrible world we live in.
Maybe it does have something to do with violence on TV, videos, and video games, like has been suggested in the past? I know when I was a kid, we weren't even allowed to watch scary movies (like Friday 13th and Children of the Corn; talk about lame now!). I wonder if there is any connection between violence on TV and violent kids? I know a few years ago, I had a playstation 2 system. One of my favorite games was Grand Theft Auto. Now, I'm a 33 y/o adult, but if I had been playing that game a lot and then went to the store or something? I know I had to 'snap out of it' a time or two, thinking of just hitting the car in front of me instead of just stopping. Now, if I can be affected like that, what do things like these do to our children?
Personally, I would give the child the benefit of the doubt, but I would still be concerned for my child's safety. I guess I still believe there is good in this world

 

[LoupGarou]

I don't have any children, but I do have a nephew by marriage who is a sociopath. There is evidence that he ever killed anyone, but he fits the pattern of so many sociopaths: he tried to burn down the house when he was four, at the age of ten he was a casual and habitual liar, as well as being a thief--he stole from businesses and family members alike. I remember him as being charming and charismatic, but he also tortured the family poodle by kicking poor Pepe when the dog sat under the kitchen table or through other means. When he was an adult, he got a job as a security guard (he was fired for stealing), but he had planned to use the job as a springboard for a career in law enforcement. If I'd had any children at the time he lived with me and my husband, I would have been certain not to leave them alone together and they certainly would not have gone to school together.

I still wonder when they are going to discover bodies buried in his backyard.

 

[KattyKillFish]

i wouldn't worry about it too extensively without knowing the whole story rather than rumors. i went to cool with a guy named Norman. he was great fun to hang out with, never got into any trouble and he always had good advice to give me when i was down. he ended up shooting and killing his best friend, all by accident. playing with guns is no joke, and he was charged with 3rd degree murder! IT WAS AN ACCIDENT!! he is still in Redrock correctional and got his GED there in prison. he didn't mean to kill the guy at all either. after being interviewed by the press telling them it was an accident, i later read that he stormed into the room, yelled profanities and shot the guy five times in the chest and threatened me if i said anything. NO SUCH THING HAPPENED!



also, my uncle was shot in the neck by his fiance'. when the police got there he was on the floor and she was in the kitchen MAKING A SANDWICH! she tried to say the he was drunk and beating her after that and the press took HER side and believed her lies. my uncle is now a quadriplegic and the court is't in favor of him even tough my whole family knows he doesn't drink.


it's good to know the facts first hand from the family rather than believing the press. just my thoughts. on a better note, homeschooling can be great! i was a homescool student after 6th grade and graduated before my high-school classmates. it really is a good option for your son ans would be FAR better than ANY public school! go for it! I suggest BYU! (Bringham Youn University... it's a mormon school and i am not a mormon, but they have good lesson plans!
Edited for spelling errors

 

[Sammysmom]

What I have stated as far as how these murders were committed is not rumors and is not based on news reports. I have read the transcripts and the plea agreement. This is based on testimony from detectives and statements that the boy himself has made. The boarder was indeed called into the house by the boy. His body was found lying over the threshold.

KattyKillFish: I do worry about this. My son is five years old. He does not have the world experience at his tender age to understand what this boy did nor the ability to defend himself against such evil. The boy's 29 year old father apparently didn't have that ability either. As stated above, what happened is documented testimony from first responders and those who have talked to the boy.

I am not trying to be argumentative. Just stating the facts.

 

[FrizzleFreak]

just saying-KattyKillFish, you know some scary people.
You see? Humans aren't meant to live so close together. We are meant to live in groups of 10-20 and have our own territories. Only so many rats can go in a cage before they start eating each other...
Who says that there are more sociopaths etc these days? There was a time when the media didn't cover anything-and if you had the least abnormality, it was electroshock therapy and sedation for you!

 

[Rhett&SarahsMom]

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I wouldnt put money on that. My daughters KG class still has kids joining. I was told this morning that there will be another 3 children in the class by the end of next week. That will make 29 kids in the one class. The kids are new to the city and to KG. They have a lot of catching up to do.