Possibly An Internal Layer *GRAPHIC PICS*

[Mimi13]

A hen with a swollen butt due to reproductive infection, by the time it's at a crucial stage, usually show a lot of bare skin.

Okie dokie. Here I am again, mainly because this bit of info has been ringing louder and louder in the back of my mind.

My big girl, Butter, is growing bigger. She still eats and drinks and “acts” fine, but is definitely slowing down. She waddles around with her bright red comb and even climbs into the nest boxes to “lay” her eggs.

Both of my older Buffs have red combs and wattles, which unfortunately attract the attention of Rusty, the roo. They do not like him nor to be mated. Period. I stop this behavior when I am outside, but I can’t be outside all the time. They usually stay away from him the majority of the day. They always have.

I truly believe when he treads Butter that it causes her pain. He is young and inexperienced and not as suave as he’ll hopefully be someday. However, he sometimes just continues to stand on her after he’s through. He must like the wide base. But I know this puts even more pressure on her big belly, not to mention the scabs that both the buffs have on their beautiful red combs from Rusty holding on to a reluctant hen.

So, the reason for my post is the bare skin issue. Yesterday I gave her a nasty booty bath, simply because she cannot drop her belly far enough for the poop to clear the feathers and avoid soiling them and the fact that it is sometimes yellow and runny. Anyway, I took a few pics of her very firm abdomen while I had a good chance. Her skin is extremely thin showing the veins underneath. She also had a sizable scab which I was able to flick off after the bath, but I still wonder how she was injured back there.

This pic is before I dried her. You can barely see a portion of the black scab.

This pic shows two good veins running vertically under the thin skin that is stretched taut over her innards. The cut and scratch marks left under the scabs I removed can also be seen.

I feel sorry for her.

 

[azygous]

I feel sorry for her, too. If you could make life easier for these old girls that no longer wish to be on the receiving end of a rooster's attentions, they would be grateful for it. (Or their version of gratitude, anyway.}

I have four such hens, much too old to even think about being mated, and I put the two roosters outside to spend most of the day free-ranging while they enjoy peace and safety. When they show signs of wanting to go outside, I coral the roosters in the jail pen. They are content to girl watch from anywhere I place them.

The only drawback to having the roosters penned while the girls free range is that they don't have the roosters to stand watch for predators, which they are extremely good at.

 

[Mimi13]

I feel sorry for her, too. If you could make life easier for these old girls that no longer wish to be on the receiving end of a rooster's attentions, they would be grateful for it. (Or their version of gratitude, anyway.}

I have four such hens, much too old to even think about being mated, and I put the two roosters outside to spend most of the day free-ranging while they enjoy peace and safety. When they show signs of wanting to go outside, I coral the roosters in the jail pen. They are content to girl watch from anywhere I place them.

The only drawback to having the roosters penned while the girls free range is that they don't have the roosters to stand watch for predators, which they are extremely good at.

It is so funny to read your post because that is what I do with Rusty. In the morning before the pop door opens I get him and put him out in the yard where he stays by himself until I turn the girls out around noon, give or take. When the Buffs come out of the run they look to see if the coast is clear (rooster clear) and make a bee line to my back deck. That’s where my four original girls used to hang out when they were the only chickens I had.

Then in the evenings sometimes, when Rusty is feeling extra amorous, I will pen him until the girls are all in the coop.

All is well, most of the time.

 

[Betsy57]

I have a hen that I think is an internal layer. She sits a lot and kinda walks like a penguin. I've checked her and no egg that I can feel so not egg bound, at least where I can reach. I've given her a round of antibiotics but no change. I meant to put her down this weekend but just can't do it yet.

 

[Mimi13]

I have a hen that I think is an internal layer. She sits a lot and kinda walks like a penguin. I've checked her and no egg that I can feel so not egg bound, at least where I can reach. I've given her a round of antibiotics but no change. I meant to put her down this weekend but just can't do it yet.

I have not given my girl any meds for her “problem” as I am not vet confirmed what is wrong. What I do know is she thinks she is laying an egg every other day or so because she gets in the nest box and stays for a while, then comes out with a smile on her beak and singing her song. Her abdomen is huge during the egg laying months and then shrinks some during the off season and she keeps dirty bootie feathers that I constantly wash. I would say she moves a little slower than her BFF’s, but she is not hindered by it...yet. Other than that she seems happy as a lark, so she will remain with the flock until she lets me know she’s ready.

Unless your girl is showing you signs of misery I would let her continue on.

 

[Mimi13]

Good morning all~

Yesterday was the day I had been dreading for some time. It was the day Butter let me know she was ready, even though I wasn’t. I know this post will be long and I apologize, however it is also somewhat cathartic for me. Also, I hope to shed light as to what caused her demise and hope for some answers on such, so I’m calling on the experts to help. @azygous @coach723 @rebrascora @Texas Kiki @Wyorp Rock Y’all asked for pictures...so, I’m delivering.

For the past week Butter had not been able to get herself down off the roost/poop board and she had not left the run to venture out with the rest of the birds. This was the biggest sign I was looking for. She always stayed with her BFF’s, always!

I had wanted my son to euthanize her for me, but then I thought, nope, it’s something I’ve got to do, just me and my girl. It wasn’t easy, not even the thought of it as I got everything set up around on the other side of the house. I kept noticing myself sighing out loud, something I’m not aware of normally doing. I chose a spot away from all my other birds. This was something I didn’t want them to be around for. Butter had just finished her version of a dust bath - fat bellied girl style - so she was happy. I shook my canister of 5 grain scratch and they all came running. Butter slowly made her way out of the run. I spread a few fistfuls of scratch to keep all of them occupied while Butter and I slipped off. After I let her peck around a bit, I picked her up and we started walking toward the house, me talking to her and her talking to me with her sweet Buff Orpington coos.

I wrapped her in my towel and sat down. I asked the Lord to please make this quick and easy...for both of us. My prayer was granted and she was no longer suffering, but I was. I sat there for several minutes gaining my composure. I loved that little girl.

After a bit I put on my scientist face as I knew I had to find out what I had been wondering and speculating for a while now. Would I be correct or completely amiss?

Since she had begun molting, a lot of her feather shafts on her extremely tight abdomen were coming back ingrown. This was another reason something had to be done fairly quickly. I did lance the first one I found and unfurled the feather, but more and more were popping up. This had to be painful for her.

I was curious to see her abdomen in relation to the rest of her body so I plucked what few feathers were there. Her belly was huge. She looked 9 months pregnant. Now remember, she was HARD as a rock, not squishy at all.

Because of her extra large belly, I did not open her cavity like I normally would the birds I process, opting to go in right under her keel. Her belly was so tight, under such pressure, I made the cut very carefully.

I thought I was videoing the actual cut, but I messed it up. I didn’t hit the record button until I tapped it to stop, which then began me recording setting the phone down! Gah! But I did get this clip.

Oh my dear Lord, Butter had been suffering from Ascites. If only I had known.

The placement of her organs looked differently to me. I don’t know if it was because of the higher cut or if it was the humongous bag of fluid. I still do not know what the bag was, but it was a completely enclosed bag filled with the tell-tale sign of amber colored, odorless fluid. The fluid was not around her organs at all. Most of the organs were underneath this bag. But I did notice the duodenum was laying on top of the bag (as viewed when I opened her), so it would have actually been underneath it while all the remaining intestines/organs were on top of the bag.

Also, on the inside of the bag was a spot of tougher “membrane.” It was thicker and darker in that one spot. The spot would have been on the lowest side of the bag. (A darker spot can be seen in the picture of her body shot.) This is a picture of the area inside the bag.

This bird had no fat in her body cavity, none at all, although there was a small amount around her heart. However, I did notice in several places a yellowing on a portion of the abdominal muscle just under the keel and then again on the gizzard and in between the gizzard and stomach, which seemed very small or empty to me.

Once the fluid had completely drained and the bag set aside I could see the rest of the organs. I thought her liver looked good, not discolored or tumorous, as I would have expected with ascites. Isn’t a liver disease associated with ascites? This also is a good view of the bag that held the fluid, all emptied and folded up below. But in this picture I noticed something else alarming. I’m certain experienced eyes will pick it right up, but I will discuss it later.

Here is a picture of her heart. Is this amount of fat on it considered detrimental?

Her eggs are completely immature, which I guess is what is expected at this time of year, but Butter has not laid an egg in almost two years now. However, remember I was expecting to open her up to a yolk filled cavity. Not so. Anyway, this one picture leaves me with many, many questions. Zoom in on these areas.

First, to the upper right off the eggs the cavity shows to have brown speckles, which is also scattered throughout the rest of the cavity on all the visceral membrane.

Then, right below the eggs is something that looks wormlike in the picture. There were no worms in the body cavity that I saw.

And then right below to the right of the wormlike stuff is something that looks like a ladder. It reminds me of a small cartilage-like structure like the trachea. I have no idea what this is and did not even notice it when I had her open. I only noticed it in this picture. Any clues?

Now to the unexpected findings that I referenced earlier.

I noticed what appeared like worms in the ceca, so naturally I cut it open. Yep, I was correct. Tiny, thread-like worms. Eew! Cecal worms! That was a little unnerving.

I even took a short clip. As a result I opened all other intestines but found no other worms. I guess they might have a special hide out that I’m not aware of. Shrug.

Maybe @casportpony can she’d light on this. Should I be concerned?

Now for those who might remember me mentioning this, Butter snatched my diamond stud earring at only 5 weeks old. I almost changed her name to Diamond. I have her gizzard in my fridge right now. I am going to go through it with a fine toothed comb. I probably won’t find anything, but hey, a girl can hope can’t she?

One last thing I’ve noticed for several weeks was when she walked she would sometimes pick up her right leg really high, kind of like she had it caught on something and was lifting her leg to get it loose. I wondered if the spread of her belly was causing her thigh to maybe feel like it was popping out of joint.

As for my fat bellied, spur legged girl, she is no longer suffering. In hindsight, I guess I let her suffer too long, but she did not really slow down until this week. I knew when she wasn’t leaving the run it was because it hurt her to walk. It was her time. There will never be another Butter, US Alabama Approved #7716. RIP my sweet girl.

Here she is with her BFF’s, Biscuit and Penny. Butter is in the girl in the top of the picture, with that booty stuck high in the air.

And here she is (on the left) with Biscuit just lounging around...again.

Thank you all for any and all advice.

 

[Kiki]

I'm only part way through the post.
You poor things...both you and her.

 

[Mimi13]

I'm only part way through the post.
You poor things...both you and her.

I know, it’s long, but I wanted to make sure I covered everything. I know pictures help me.

Oh, and please don’t mind my “barn lifestyle manicure.” It just doesn’t work for me.

 

[Mimi13]

Also, @Texas Kiki, can you tell me how to edit my title to include *Graphic pics*? It may have been too long since I originally posted it and can’t do it.

 

[Kiki]

Also, @Texas Kiki, can you tell me how to edit my title to include *Graphic pics*? It may have been too long since I originally posted it and can’t do it.

@N F C Can you edit the title please?