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[aveca]

That bird needs a little more beef Walt must be a pullet..look at the meat on those birds...... the rest is there. comes from artists eye. yours probably a baby..nice baby ..To me that one Vickie posted very much looks like the painting, color and all..

Here was why I was asking questions, want not only want to know exactly what SOP wants from me , to work towards ..but also I was painting picture for my new barn as decoration and and reminder this is what a near ideal Black orpington looks like..I wouldnt copy SOP bird but would find one similar, verty close to that to use like I did for delaware people, We went through hundreds of pictures..it was combo platter of kathinmo bird and using the standard pic of correct color, they were using it as thier logo..promised someday would do one for Jeremy..If I ever get time, I will.. .I had nothing to go by in black orpington. only words and descriptions

Im assuming here that in SOP you would use the picture of the buff orp and paint it black or blue, using description to fill in the blanks on eye color leg color ect...Thou to me like comparing trekehaner to swedish warmblood. similar yet different and both warmbloods..similar idea...close , subtle different,

I wound up using picture from the standard bred orpington, these photos and books are free to the public domain as model..To me he is ideal orpington..or was in is day..things always evolve..I kinow exactly what the process is for the artist working with association . they come with thier photos of a bird they consider ideal, with footnotes everywhere such as feather on tail could be a little wider stay within photo margin ect..they constantly meet and discuss how project is coming along and tiny changes.

My barn sign will probably say soup chicken on the bottom to go with husbands grandfathers 4 star resturant memorabilia...I just started it. sorry about not setting things up to take better pictures..just popped them off fast this morning..
So walt this will help you understand why Im looking for detail, not trying to be pain..looking into the deep detail. honest is the best policy, my chicken is nice but he looks like a coin..very round profile but from top hes narrow, I know some of that will change as he matures.






some detail from newly started barn sign, using standard bred orpington book picture.



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eventually it will have much more detail like this drawing for a gladstone rider. brought back for paper restoration went through flooding last year. it was just the study , but the person liked it and wanted it too.





husbands grandfathers resturant started with 2 boys and a dream..a hotdog stand turned into a 4 star resturant, art work for several art shows. multiple award winner..

 

[thedragonlady]

That bird needs a little more beef Walt must be a pullet..look at the meat on those birds...... the rest is there. comes from artists eye. yours probably a baby..nice baby ..To me that one Vickie posted very much looks like the painting, color and all..

Here was why I was asking questions, want not only want to know exactly what SOP wants from me , to work towards ..but also I was painting picture for my new barn as decoration and and reminder this is what a near ideal Black orpington looks like..I wouldnt copy SOP bird but would find one similar, verty close to that to use like I did for delaware people, We went through hundreds of pictures..it was combo platter of kathinmo bird and using the standard pic of correct color, they were using it as thier logo..promised someday would do one for Jeremy..If I ever get time, I will.. .I had nothing to go by in black orpington. only words and descriptions

Im assuming here that in SOP you would use the picture of the buff orp and paint it black or blue, using description to fill in the blanks on eye color leg color ect...Thou to me like comparing trekehaner to swedish warmblood. similar yet different and both warmbloods..similar idea...close , subtle different,

I wound up using picture from the standard bred orpington, these photos and books are free to the public domain as model..To me he is ideal orpington..or was in is day..things always evolve..I kinow exactly what the process is for the artist working with association . they come with thier photos of a bird they consider ideal, with footnotes everywhere such as feather on tail could be a little wider stay within photo margin ect..they constantly meet and discuss how project is coming along and tiny changes.

My barn sign will probably say soup chicken on the bottom to go with husbands grandfathers 4 star resturant memorabilia...I just started it. sorry about not setting things up to take better pictures..just popped them off fast this morning..
So walt this will help you understand why Im looking for detail, not trying to be pain..looking into the deep detail. honest is the best policy, my chicken is nice but he looks like a coin..very round profile but from top hes narrow, I know some of that will change as he matures.






some detail from newly started barn sign, using standard bred orpington book picture.



.

eventually it will have much more detail like this drawing for a gladstone rider. brought back for paper restoration went through flooding last year. it was just the study , but the person liked it and wanted it too.





husbands grandfathers resturant started with 2 boys and a dream..a hotdog stand turned into a 4 star resturant, art work for several art shows. multiple award winner..



WONDERFUL

Absolutely wonderful art work Lynnie!

 

[fowlman01]

Aveca,

The Orp in my picture is a 8mo pullet taken from below it as it was up on the second tier at a show. Your illustration isn't very deep in the front either and the backline from the shoulders to the end of the tail should be a straight line without the tail appearing to be separate as illustrated. The comb should also follow the head. Photo's of chickens usually do not show what the bird really looks like. I am sure you have noticed that before, but an illustration can be quite accurate. This is why you don't see photo's used in US Standards.

Walt

 

[aveca]

Thank You Miss Vickie...I didnt set them up very well..that gladstone rider was so animated , he was willing that horse win..Loved thier photo, his darned determinination..

Im a detail person, I didnt want Mr Walt to think I was picking ..Just trying to determine by sight what they might feel is close to Ideal Black Orpinton..The shilling artist used a 3 d tecnique to show depth of the birds using shadowing so you could see the musceling under the feather. the beautiful almost clean line he used to show how the neck line connects to back line is ecohed in walts pullet...

 

[aveca]

Aveca,

The Orp in my picture is a 8mo pullet taken from below it as it was up on the second tier at a show. Your illustration isn't very deep in the front either and the backline from the shoulders to the end of the tail should be a straight line without the tail appearing to be separate as illustrated. The comb should also follow the head. Photo's of chickens usually do not show what the bird really looks like. I am sure you have noticed that before, but an illustration can be quite accurate. This is why you don't see photo's used in US Standards.

Walt

That was kind of the point of why I was asking for illustration of what is considered Ideal black orpington....the illustrations are used in SOP becuse they can be adjusted by the artist to suit the ideal for the standard, the perfect chicken hasnt been hatched yet so the artist will what we call FUDGE it to thier idea of perfection using many photos and live sitting ,the artist will have acess to the bird for reference to depth ect.. , .. most pictures today are of a single bird they feel would be closest to Ideal.., the association would say the tail barring in our photos could be smaller, many many footnotes...other birds that are strong in that area would be used as well. change it to smaller ect....The Bird I used for my sign was from the book the standard bred orpington..madison square garden winner many moons ago...so see... they do evolve..but is it for the better? to me when I look at him, and I just started it so I will be changing and adjusting as I go..he screams orpington..he doesnt look like a wyandotte....I am in search of what might be considered near perfect orpington BLK..When you cant find it, you start looking through those oldie but goodie books...Lot of our birds to me look like they are loosing that real meatty look...Its almost like a celebration of a step backwards..Or is it fear? there is a good illustration in SOP of Buff, ..But I love these old lithographs..these were the earlier imports that we used , but seems we were loosing something, then we run to try and catch back up..

 

[fowlman01]

Thank You Miss Vickie...I didnt set them up very well..that gladstone rider was so animated , he was willing that horse win..Loved thier photo, his darned determinination..

Im a detail person, I didnt want Mr Walt to think I was picking ..Just trying to determine by sight what they might feel is close to Ideal Black Orpinton..The shilling artist used a 3 d tecnique to show depth of the birds using shadowing so you could see the musceling under the feather. the beautiful almost clean line he used to show how the neck line connects to back line is ecohed in walts pullet...

An artist can use whatever technique they like, it is still a two dimensional illustration that does not show everything you need to know. It is a great illustration, but it does not tell anything about feather quality etc. The only place you will learn that is reading the SOP. If you had read the SOP you would know that the comb follows the head of the Orp. I am saying this as an example of why you need to read it. If you are a detail person you should know that. The color of the Orp would not change anything about the SOP description other than the color. The varieties should always have the same shape. That is not always the case however and it has nothing to do with the SOP description, it has to do with people doing their own thing and creating birds that don't meet the description.

The reason I am going on about all this is that I have seen breeders back themselves into a corner that is very difficult to get out of.......then they come to us and want us to change the SOP to fit the way their birds now look. I have lost count how many times that has happened. Some of the Cornish people now want us to change the eye color description because they can no longer get pearl eyes. After over a 100 years as pearl we are not going to change it to fit what they have in their back yard.

I will say it again........if you don't know the SOP and you breed to what you like, you will probably end up with a bird that does not fit the description......even if you have pictures of that bird in every corner of your property.

Walt

 

[lildinkem]

Old photos are very nice to see what folks liked a 100 years ago. Like in other breeds and even species, like with German Shepards, the same can be applied to Orpingtons. Over time the desired look seems to change with what is now in style. The German Sheps use to have a long flat back and a more sturdier build. Now the rear end seems to point to the ground, and their not as solid a built dog. With our Orps, I am seeing more stiffer tails, tighter feathered birds. And size is now as big as you can make em. No longer the SOP required 10 lbs Orp cock can beat out over the 12 lbs, 14 lbs or even 16 lbs cocks. The same use to be said just 3 years ago with Australorps. I went to the Ohio Nationals 3 years ago and seen that the Australorps were bigger then the Blacks Orps shown. And the Australorps were winning with that 14 lbs plus size. It was refreshing to see at the Indiana State Fair Poultry Show 2010 to have an Australorp of SOP desired weight win Champ English. Hopefully we can get back to building the Orps correctly, and less of building on size to win.

 

[fowlman01]

That was kind of the point of why I was asking for illustration of what is considered Ideal black orpington....the illustrations are used becuse they can be adjusted by the artist to suit the ideal for the standard, the perfect chicken hasnt been hatched yet so the artist will what we call FUDGE it to thier idea of perfection using many photos , most of a single bird they feel would be closest to Ideal.., the association would say the tail barring in our photos could be smaller, many many footnotes.. change it to smaller ect....The Bird I used for my sign was from the book the standard bred orpington..madison square garden winner many moons ago...so see... they do evolve..but to me when I look at him, and I just started it so I will be changing and adjusting as I go..he screams orpington..he doesnt look like a wyandotte....

That does not mean that they evolved. you can't use a photo of a bird to use, because you don't know if it is a good one unless you know what they are supposed to look like. I can take apart any picture of any breed because there are no perfect birds. If it had a comb like that it was incorrect and it further bolsters my arguement that you can't just look at pictures. That comb is wrong and the backline is wrong. There is no way to justify those faults.

Walt

 

[lildinkem]

Dave sent me his pic. I believe this bird has the comb Walt likes, and the backline which meets the SOP. Again especially with a Black & White pic, you can not tell IF the color is spot on. Wattles maybe a smidge too big. But I would not kick this Orp out if it was dropped into my yard. hahaha
This is a 1946 Buff Orp

 

[aveca]

I have that clevanger ad posted a while ago.but its in tablet...I think it speaks volumes..its as if we took a huge step backward from that and are happy about it