Predator Protection

teriz1091

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Oct 6, 2015
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Over the last 2-3 months, we’ve lost a hen, 3 ducks, & a turkey to a predator. The hen & turkey were taken while free-ranging, 2 ducks were killed while trying to protect the hen that was snatched, & one young duck, the most recent, was taken out of the chicken house at night through a small hole in the wall (like the diameter of a can).

Our chicken house butts up to a steep draw full of timber. The birds (7 hens, 8 guineas, a turkey & a duck) living in it are now kept confined to a 10’x20’ pen when let out during the day. We have 5 older hens in a separate coop that still free range.

We have a total of 5 dogs. One lives in a pen adjacent to the older hens’ coop, but is utterly useless for protecting the hens. The others are house dogs. I have a 12yr old Aussie who is fantastic at protecting the property, & up until this past winter, enjoyed staying outside, keeping coyotes at bay, & alerting me if a possum came in the barn or if he found a snake. His age is catching up to him, however, & he now prefers to stay indoors most of the time.

My husband really wants to get a livestock guardian dog. Until we’d started losing birds, we were wanting to wait until 2-3 dogs passed away from old age before adding a new dog. However, he’s frustrated with losing birds & wants a dog now.

In his frustration, I’m not sure he’s clear about realizing that a LGD is not a quick fix, as a puppy will take a long time to train & learn how to protect its flock. It’s also a large investment we weren’t planning on anytime soon (purchase price, vaccines, food, spay/neuter).

Personally, I’m content to patch the hole & any others in the building, & try to trap the predator.

Has anyone used a LGD solely for protecting their poultry flocks? I know they mostly protect goats, sheep, or cattle. Will a flock of birds be enough for the puppy to imprint on & claim as its own flock?
 
I agree with wamtazlady! I have electric poultry netting and it works wonders! I hook mine up to a battery and its amazing, and keeps out all the predators! It's super easy to move around takes very little time. You can get different sizes too, got mine from premier 1. It looks something like this:

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Hope this helps!:thumbsup So sorry to hear you lost so much poultry!:hugs
 
I’ve never heard of electric poultry netting! Would that be something that I can run around the whole building with?
 
LGD is not a quick fix
No they are not a quick fix, take training. Most any dog that is poultry friendly will work though.
I had just a beagle, free range beagle last place we lived. Was fortunate we had hundreds of acres surrounding us so could free range him safely. Mostly ran rabbits but still kept all predators away. We had chickens ducks and turkeys all completely free range no fences and had no losses.
If you live in a area like I do now, can't free range a dog (If you fence your whole place in I guess you/I could)
electric is a good option. Many options out there, more than just electro-netting.
 
I’ve never heard of electric poultry netting! Would that be something that I can run around the whole building with?
Electric poultry netting is more for like a run, portable moving them around. Very easy to install and move around.
For whole buildings and runs, not moved around, I'd recommend regular electric fence. Many options and ideas for coops. There is stiff wire, very flexible and wide strip ribbon, used a lot for horses cause it's very visible, and string or rope. I know people that use the string to keep big pigs in, and also see it used to keep bears out of honey bee boxes.
I'd probably go with the thick hard wire for a permanent installation but any of it will work.
 
I use dogs and electrified fencing, including at times electrified poultry netting with an area approximating 6 acres. Least cost and quickest to setup is simple hotwire. It takes some tinkering to make so it keeps out smaller predators like Raccoons and Opossums. Red Fox at least can learn how to defeat that relatively easily unless wires are really close together. The electrified poultry netting is much more pricey relative to the area it protects and also better suited for keeping smaller predators out from the git go. It is generally easier to move and store when not in use. Red Fox and Bobcat can beat the poultry netting if they have time to look at it over multiple visits. Getting a good zap does not always make them stop probing for weakness. Dogs are slower and far more expensive to get into working order, but can be the most flexible. Mine are out right now running something off but they can be be shut down as soon as someone starts piddling around with fireworks.

Raptors will be tougher to beat.
 
Hello, I have a hobby farm in southeastern Arizona. Have 30 or so laying hens and have had a horrid year with predators of the flying variety. Hawks and Great Owls as far as I can tell. Spent many hours totally covering my large hen yard with bird netting , sides go up ten feet and across the top of the about 60 x 60 foot yard. What a pain. Last night for the second time some large bird predator got in and took off with an adult buff orpington laying hen and I am just sick. I get the idea that I need electric netting and that means the yard will get much smaller (it is just dirt- not like there are good things to eat etc). But I will have to also cover the top somehow...any ideas or will regular heavy weight bird netting work across the top?
 

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