(preventive) deworming with Valbazen?

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  1. LindaNL

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    I'm not sure of our chickens have worms, but I think that it's very likely. They haven't been wormed since a long time, so I think it's time anyway. Is it okay to use Valbazen (1/2 cc/ml or 1/4 cc/ml per chicken, 3 times, 10 days in between), or is this too strong? If so, what else can I use?

    So 1 of our chickens (4yrs old) has been sick for a while now. At first she became slow and didn't have a lot of appetite, she started to have a paler comb and now she has diarrhea and shakes her head a lot. She is breathing quite heavily (1 nosetril looks a bit closed), poor girl :(. I checked the chickens on lice, which most of them had!! We treated the coop thoroughly for lice and mites and also the chickens themselves. Unfortunately the sick chicken keeps shaking her head. Now another chicken is starting to show the same symptoms (slow and not wanting to eat). I should add that I also discovered pink droppings when I first moved here (about a year ago), I had no knowledge back then and the chicken owner (I take care of them) didn't think it was a big deal because they looked healthy. So I didn't do anything about it...

    Now I ordered some extra vitamins to give my chickens an immune boost, but I think I should order a dewormer as well. Any suggestions? Thanks a lot!
     
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    Thank you so much!!!
    I'm a little bit affraid to give them AB when I'm not sure they have the disease. But I'm going to look into it!
    I wanted to go to a specialized vet, but it's so hard to find them. All I can see on the internet is that most vets don't know much about chickens, and lab work takes too long to diagnose the disease.
     
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    What do you normally feed?
    Does your 4yr old still lay any eggs?
    What does her abdomen feel like - hard, soft, normal, fluid filled?
    What did you use to treat the lice/mites and are the mites/lice gone?
    What does the poo look like?

    You may want to take a fecal sample to your vet to have a fecal float performed for confirmation of worms. But if you are wanting to treat without that - dosage for Valbazen 1/2 ml orally and then repeated in 10 days for each chicken.

    The head shaking, check in the ears to make sure they are clear, they could still have lice/mites in the them.

    1 nostril looks like it is closed? Inspect it to see if she has any dirt, debris, food stuck in there. If so you can soak a qtip in peroxide and put on the blockage, start working to get it loosened up. It will take a while and make take several attempts/days to get it clear.

    Was the pink poo intestinal shedding?

    4yrs old, pale comb, labored breathing, moving slow could be a number of things. She may be have internal/reproductive problems or something like Peritonitis.


    Poop Chart:
    http://chat.allotment-garden.org/index.php?topic=17568.0
    Plugged Nare:
    http://www.browneggblueegg.com/Article/PluggedNare/PluggedNare.html
    Mites/Lice:
    http://www.the-chicken-chick.com/2012/08/poultry-lice-and-mites-identification.html
    http://www.fresheggsdaily.com/2013/02/mites-how-to-prevent-them-and-treat.html
    Peritonitis/Internal Laying/Reproductive:
    http://www.chickenvet.co.uk/health-and-common-diseases/egg-laying-issues/index.aspx
    http://scoopfromthecoop.nutrenaworld.com/tag/laying-issues/
    http://www.hobbyfarms.com/livestock-and-pets/6-causes-of-chicken-swollen-abdomen.aspx
    http://fresheggsdaily.com/2012/01/dust-bathing-beauties.html
     
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    Thanks a lot!
    I just used it and got an answer already.
    Still it could be a number of things. He suggest going to a vet to take a blood test, bacterial cultures of the airways and I guess also an poop test for coccidia.
    I don't know the expenses of this, but it seems like it's going to be a lot (al the tests, the medicines and the fee for just having me there).

    Thank you for the pics, Linda. It's important to recognize that in any case of respiratory illness, it's important to know if you're dealing with a viral, bacterial, fungal, or parasitic disease. The treatment for one disease may be ineffective or even harmful for others. To make a diagnosis, an avian vet (please see here: www.aav.org) will perform several tests including bacterial cultures of the airways, blood tests, and necropsies of dead birds if they're available. Dead birds should be refrigerated - not frozen – until they can be necropsied. Microscopic evaluation of affected tissues is helpful and can be performed at a diagnostic laboratory such as a county animal disease diagnostic laboratory. A fecal test for parasites also should be done. Attempts to isolate virus may be required. Respiratory infections in poultry have several causes but outward signs may appear similar to the flock owner.
    If you don't have access to such a vet it would be prudent to presumptively treat your chickens for the most likely bacterial infections such as chicken coryza (Haemophilus paragallinarum) and avian mycoplasmosis with tylosin dosed at 20-30 mg/lb daily for 5-7 days given intramuscularly (if you have just a few chickens) or the injectable solution can be given directly into their beak or tylosin soluble powder can be mixed into their drinking water (for a large flock). Injectable Tylan-50 or Tylan soluble powder should be found in your local feed store.
    Although the common nematodes (roundworms, cecal worms, e.g.) aren't expected to cause clinical disease, I recommend worming your chickens with piperazine (Wazine, e.g.) and because you're seeing blood, coccidia should be considered and dealt with by amprolium (Corid, e.g.). These products can be found in your local feed store as well.
    External parasites should be identified prior to treatment but in most cases a carbaryl-containing dust such as Sevin as well as environmental control should suffice. A recent study showed that mite populations could be controlled with dust boxes containing either diatomaceous earth, kaolin clay, or sulfur. All hens using dust boxes with any material showed a reduction in ectoparasites (mites, lice, fleas) by 80-100% after one week when compared to control groups. Ectoparasite populations recovered when dust boxes containing diatomaceous earth or kaolin clay were removed; however, sulfur provided a residual effect up to nine months post removal. Provision of dust boxes may be a simple and effective method of ectoparasite control for backyard flocks.


     
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    Thanks for your answer!!! I'm so glad you're thinking along with me, it means a lot to me!!!
    A little update: The chicken is doing much better today, she eats again, is more alert and is taking sand baths again (still shaking her head though). The other chicken is doing worse! She doesn't eat, her chest bone is sticking out, she puffs herself up and stays in the coop, is very slow, poop is sticky and smelly... I'm going to make them a nice little area where they can't infect the other chickens! I will also buy tylosin tot treat them, I hope this helps..

    What do you normally feed?
    - I feed them organic layer poultry feed (16% pellets) and organic scratch poultry feed (corn mix), oyster shells, grit and a few hands of dried worms. I also give them organic greens (apple, melon, lettuce,..) ocasionally.

    Does your 4yr old still lay any eggs?
    - They don't lay eggs anymore. That's why last year we bought some chicks from Murdoch's. I guess they weren't so healthy (sneezing, pasty butt, blood in poop). It's possible that those chicks infected the older chickens.... But I'm not sure. 1 older chicken died last year, she also breathed very heavily.

    What does her abdomen feel like - hard, soft, normal, fluid filled?
    - I can't pick her up now during the day (this one is not so tame) I should check the abdomen tonight, thanks for the suggestion! I did feel the abdomen of the other sick chicken, and I could feel her chest bone sticking out :(! Also, when I picked her up, there was a weird noise coming out of her beak, like there was water in her nose (somewhat rattling).

    What did you use to treat the lice/mites and are the mites/lice gone?
    - At first I used DE for the lice/mites, it worked, but each time they came back after 2 days. Now I used poultry dust on the chickens and elector PSP in the coop. It did the job! There are still lots of eggs on their butts, but no lice/mites! I will repeat the treatment after a few days.

    What does the poo look like?
    - I only saw her poop once (2 days ago), it was very white, with a very little dot of green in it. The other sick chicken has her butt covered with sticky smelly poop. It doesn't fall on the ground, it sticks to her butt (3rd picture). And the 'healthy' chickens poop look like this (first two pictures):


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    The head shaking, check in the ears to make sure they are clear, they could still have lice/mites in the them:
    - Thanks I will do that! I checked 1 ear yesterday, and they looked okay (but huge though), I'll check the other ear tonight!

    1 nostril looks like it is closed? Inspect it to see if she has any dirt, debris, food stuck in there. If so you can soak a qtip in peroxide and put on the blockage, start working to get it loosened up. It will take a while and make take several attempts/days to get it clear.
    - I don't see any debris and dirt, it just looks closed (2nd picture). I already saw the website http://www.browneggblueegg.com/Article/PluggedNare/PluggedNare.html, and bought peroxide, thanks for the advise! I also ordered vetrx, just to make her breath easier.
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    Was the pink poo intestinal shedding?
    - It looked like the 'coral coloured urates' (http://chat.allotment-garden.org/index.php?topic=17568.0), also manely overnigh

    4yrs old, pale comb, labored breathing, moving slow could be a number of things. She may be have internal/reproductive problems or something like Peritonitis.Peritonitis/Internal Laying/Reproductive:
    http://www.chickenvet.co.uk/health-and-common-diseases/egg-laying-issues/index.aspx
    http://scoopfromthecoop.nutrenaworld.com/tag/laying-issues/
    http://www.hobbyfarms.com/livestock-and-pets/6-causes-of-chicken-swollen-abdomen.aspx
    http://fresheggsdaily.com/2012/01/dust-bathing-beauties.html

    - Thanks for the links, I'm going to read them after I finish with the little area I'm making to keep the sick chickens separeted from the other chickens!!
     
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    It sounds like you have several things going on.

    The advice you got from just answer is very good. The "rattle" you hear is most likely respiratory illness, so their advice about Mycoplasma and treatment looks correct.

    Worming is also a good idea, Wazine will treat roundworms, if you suspect any other type of worms, you may want to consider something different. Valbazen 1/2 ml orally and then repeated in 10 days for each chicken or Fenbendazole (Safeguard, Panacur) at 1/4 ml per pound for 5 days in a row. These are broader spectrum wormers so they will treat more than round worms. Your best bet would be to take a fecal sample to your vet for a a fecal float test, they can tell you what internal parasites you are dealing with.

    The hen with a poopy bum, looks like it could have vent gleet as well. Give her a good soak in some warm soapy water and see if you can get her cleaned up. If it looks like vent gleet (photos and treatment in the links below), you can apply some athlete's foot anti fungal cream to the vent for about 14days.

    Worming Info:
    http://www.the-chicken-chick.com/2015/11/control-treatment-of-worms-in-chickens.html

    Vent Gleet:
    http://www.tillysnest.com/2012/12/vent-gleet-prevention-and-treatment-html/
    http://www.fresheggsdaily.com/2013/09/vent-gleet-symptoms-causes-and-natural.html
    https://www.backyardchickens.com/a/vent-gleet-aka-nasty-chicken-butt
     
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    That's why I said the valbazen wormer because if they haven't found any worms then that would be the best choice instead of messing with a bunch of wormer straying to kill or get rid of a certain worm. So valbazen would be best because it covers a good few different worms. Good luck
     
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    What wrong with the hen in that pic there with the poo stuck in her vent feathers? My hen who is egg bound has feathers like that, but since she has the egg stuck in her I know when a hen goes egg bound they can have trouble pooing. But anything to help my favorite hen.
     

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