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The base of the brain\spine is where autonomic functions are--They stop breathing and will die quickly.

Still, cutting the arteries works very quickly too.
On both quail and chicken we de head them after making sure to get that area first, so I think that counys as letting them bleed out, ha.

I just make sure to knock out the part that keeps them concious so they don't feel it anyway, because i am a wuss.
 
we cut their heads off with the garden shears upsidedown, would cutting through the spine first stop all that fluttering and shaking in hand? That is what was hardest to me, holding them until stillness. I admit I was freaking inside doing them, we only did 12 thank God!
 
we cut their heads off with the garden shears upsidedown, would cutting through the spine first stop all that fluttering and shaking in hand? That is what was hardest to me, holding them until stillness. I admit I was freaking inside doing them, we only did 12 thank God!

Severing the spine will not stop the quivering of the body. I never understood that the saying "running around like a chicken with it's head cut off" was true until we started processing birds. I feel the same about the quivering.
 
we cut their heads off with the garden shears upsidedown, would cutting through the spine first stop all that fluttering and shaking in hand? That is what was hardest to me, holding them until stillness. I admit I was freaking inside doing them, we only did 12 thank God!
It is the lack of signal from the brain that causes the muscles to spasm. I means that they are dead. They do not feel anything at that time.

Severing the spine will not stop the quivering of the body. I never understood that the saying "running around like a chicken with it's head cut off" was true until we started processing birds. I feel the same about the quivering.
Yes, we saw them do that when I was growing up. We never used a cone just took the head off. Later we did tie them by the feet and hang them from an Almond tree but you have to get away quickly if you do that.
 
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On both quail and chicken we de head them after making sure to get that area first, so I think that counys as letting them bleed out, ha.

I just make sure to knock out the part that keeps them concious so they don't feel it anyway, because i am a wuss.
Could you please explain what you meant in your last sentence, Chiquita. I got the "wuss" part.
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I had an interesting afternoon when I went to a new feed store and spoke to the two young owners about, what else, killing chickens. They talked to me at great length about how they kill chickens and I think I know where I can improve.

One uses a hatchet. He holds the chicken up by its legs until it relaxes, lays it head down on a board and does one short, quick chop with a hatchet at the back of the neck (always the back of the neck closest to the spinal cord). He was a big, strong young man and could deliver a good hard chop without a big swing. He pointed out to me that the more force I would apply to my swing, the less accuracy. We talked about accuracy and he said that it took practice and more practice, that I should practice using the hatchet many, many times before I even thought about using it on a chicken.

The other man cut their heads off with a knife. He hung the chicken up in a cone, applied gentle traction on the neck and cut hard where you would cut just the carotid artery and he could cut the head right off, even older roosters. He said that the trick was to have a really sharp knife, much sharper than my knives probably are even though they test sharp. You try to go between the vertebrae. Another thing he pointed out was that you have to cut away from yourself. I had been drawing the blade towards me. I can apply more force by cutting away with the added benefit that if I make a mistake, I won't disembowel myself.

It was the first time someone talked to me in person about killing chickens humanely. They had their pocket knives on hand to demonstrate. It was very informative.

I'll get my knives sharpened (I think they are pretty good, but why not make sure?) and will use more force while cutting away from myself.
 
Could you please explain what you meant in your last sentence, Chiquita. I got the "wuss" part.
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I had an interesting afternoon when I went to a new feed store and spoke to the two young owners about, what else, killing chickens. They talked to me at great length about how they kill chickens and I think I know where I can improve.

One uses a hatchet. He holds the chicken up by its legs until it relaxes, lays it head down on a board and does one short, quick chop with a hatchet at the back of the neck (always the back of the neck closest to the spinal cord). He was a big, strong young man and could deliver a good hard chop without a big swing. He pointed out to me that the more force I would apply to my swing, the less accuracy. We talked about accuracy and he said that it took practice and more practice, that I should practice using the hatchet many, many times before I even thought about using it on a chicken.

The other man cut their heads off with a knife. He hung the chicken up in a cone, applied gentle traction on the neck and cut hard where you would cut just the carotid artery and he could cut the head right off, even older roosters. He said that the trick was to have a really sharp knife, much sharper than my knives probably are even though they test sharp. You try to go between the vertebrae. Another thing he pointed out was that you have to cut away from yourself. I had been drawing the blade towards me. I can apply more force by cutting away with the added benefit that if I make a mistake, I won't disembowel myself.

It was the first time someone talked to me in person about killing chickens humanely. They had their pocket knives on hand to demonstrate. It was very informative.

I'll get my knives sharpened (I think they are pretty good, but why not make sure?) and will use more force while cutting away from myself.

What a wonderful experience to be able to talk the talk to understanding compassionate people who actually "get it".
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What a wonderful experience to be able to talk the talk to understanding compassionate people who actually "get it".
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I find it incredibly bizarre that I can agree with you that it was wonderful to talk to people about the tricks to killing chickens. Me, who believed in my heart I would starve to death if I ever had to kill my own food, even a fish. These young men were the first people I have ever talked to in person about killing chickens. They were farm boys who had grown up with it, unlike me, a city girl. Plus, they were compassionate. They've been slaughtering chickens since they were kids, and they both told me they don't think they would like themselves very much if it didn't bother them to take a life, no matter how many times they had done it.
 
we cut their heads off with the garden shears upsidedown, would cutting through the spine first stop all that fluttering and shaking in hand? That is what was hardest to me, holding them until stillness. I admit I was freaking inside doing them, we only did 12 thank God!

Ron already answered this, but it does not stop the flopping. I don't care if they flop, I care if they HURT. I had a fairly normal condition when I was younger that caused sever, pass out, pain, and I am VERY aware of pain. For me it is very important I do things as close to painlessly as possible.
Could you please explain what you meant in your last sentence, Chiquita. I got the "wuss" part.
wink.png


I had an interesting afternoon when I went to a new feed store and spoke to the two young owners about, what else, killing chickens. They talked to me at great length about how they kill chickens and I think I know where I can improve.

One uses a hatchet. He holds the chicken up by its legs until it relaxes, lays it head down on a board and does one short, quick chop with a hatchet at the back of the neck (always the back of the neck closest to the spinal cord). He was a big, strong young man and could deliver a good hard chop without a big swing. He pointed out to me that the more force I would apply to my swing, the less accuracy. We talked about accuracy and he said that it took practice and more practice, that I should practice using the hatchet many, many times before I even thought about using it on a chicken.

The other man cut their heads off with a knife. He hung the chicken up in a cone, applied gentle traction on the neck and cut hard where you would cut just the carotid artery and he could cut the head right off, even older roosters. He said that the trick was to have a really sharp knife, much sharper than my knives probably are even though they test sharp. You try to go between the vertebrae. Another thing he pointed out was that you have to cut away from yourself. I had been drawing the blade towards me. I can apply more force by cutting away with the added benefit that if I make a mistake, I won't disembowel myself.

It was the first time someone talked to me in person about killing chickens humanely. They had their pocket knives on hand to demonstrate. It was very informative.

I'll get my knives sharpened (I think they are pretty good, but why not make sure?) and will use more force while cutting away from myself.
That bundle of nerves that becomes the bottom part of your brain is like a light switch. If you fubar it, you are turning the light switch off. no signals saying !!!!!! will get anywhere and that's it. The actual what you re doing is more complicated then that, but when you feel the back of your neck, and you can feel the knobs of bone where the brain and spine meet? that is the ticket. Mario can chop right there on a chicken, I can do it on a quail. It does not make it LOOK less dramatic, but the consiousness that can panic and feel pain is no longer there. Whatever you think that means, I'm not going there, lol.

I find it incredibly bizarre that I can agree with you that it was wonderful to talk to people about the tricks to killing chickens. Me, who believed in my heart I would starve to death if I ever had to kill my own food, even a fish. These young men were the first people I have ever talked to in person about killing chickens. They were farm boys who had grown up with it, unlike me, a city girl. Plus, they were compassionate. They've been slaughtering chickens since they were kids, and they both told me they don't think they would like themselves very much if it didn't bother them to take a life, no matter how many times they had done it.
Yes, exactly. My choices are to do it responsibility and painlessly. better by far to know it had a good life then to not think about it, even if I do have feelings about it.
 

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