Pros and cons of organic vs nonorganic?

[CrazyTalk]

BS. It's all about money. JMHO

The fact that something makes money doesn't make it evil, wrong, or dangerous.

 

[ChickenCanoe]

The fact that something makes money doesn't make it evil, wrong, or dangerous.

So true. Exploitation of the Appalachian coal fields made money for the barons but weren't wrong or dangerous.

 

[CrazyTalk]

Nice strawman. How's this one:

Birthing babies is one of the most profitable things hospitals do - babies must therefore be wrong and dangerous.

 

[ApiaryandAviary]

May I?
We keep ours in small hutches & pens.
Two hutches & pens per 10 x 10 x 6 doggie kennel with bird netting above.

Each morning my hubby goes out and opens each pen door. So that both hutches in each gated pen, get to come out and walk about within their small world till the sun is out.

When the sun is out or it is light enough, I come along and open their 10 x 10 gates and off they go fluttering. To the garden, to the creek, the woods or where ever my hubby is with the tractor. They love fresh turned dirt. I do not know what all they eat during the day. They come and go. I see them come and go, as I collect their eggs. None lay their eggs at the same exact time. They come and go all day long and rain is not a deterent. They are out in the rain milling about.

I can not sell their eggs as true breeds bc I have seen roos from down the line making happy time with girls down the line.

I can sell their eggs as NATURAL. But not ORGANIC.

I do give them feeders & waterers. The food is Purina. It is cleaned and filled every night for them when they come in from the fields.

I am not certain how healthy their layena and flock raiser is and so, I add Catfish & Pond fish food to the mix.
Gmo's or not. The organix feeds are expensive. Even the cheap mass produced feed is getting expensive. Free ranging is cheap, & gives them something to do all day.

All this is about to change.
We will be housing everyone differently this winter. No more electric cords going to heat lamps in these hutches.
There's will be a metal carport and 4 community houses with runs for them and all these hutches will go. I will still let them free range bc it gives them something to do all day and bc it is cheap food. Their backyard is 33 acres, so this is a small farm. My worries are still the same. Are they eatting a balanced diet foraging? As I contiune to supplement the free range should I stick with Purina Layena & Flockraiser? If not what would I feed them so we do not go to the poor house feeding chickens? What to do for good clean feed? So here I go again. I am wondering if it has gotten too cold for me to do my sprouted BOSS. I usually wet the ground scatter the seeds and cover with a tarp let set and then flip it back. They usually attack and the feeding freezie us over in one day. But it is colder and I usually only do that during the spring and summer. I am looking at ways to boost their nutricianal intake. Inexpensively. Starting to run out of ideas. Hoping others can contribute to this. Maybe I want the impossible. Inexpensive for me to do but vastly rewarding for them feed wise.

Anyone?

 

[chickengeorgeto]

So true. Exploitation of the Appalachian coal fields made money for the barons but weren't wrong or dangerous.

The so called coal barons never sent armed gangs into the Appalachian Mountains and adjoining hollers to capture or impress miners. Likewise the coal industry never lobbied the State and National governments to force coal, or even hydrocarbon fuels down citizens throats like the anti GM lobby is trying to do with their pesticide laden Organic food.

Sure some coal barons were despicable humans, but so are some miners, or farmers, or auto workers or doctors, or even teachers. It takes all sorts of humans to make a world, and like sausage making you probably would rather not look, but it is important that you learn the truth.

However I get nervous and you should get nervous too when one group (in this case the anti gmo crowd crows at the top of their lungs about their side having all the answers) and then that side of the issue tries to force their version of the truth on everyone else by enacting laws.

The correct name in my humble opinion for an outspoken anti GMO activist is not Environmentalist but Watermelon. This is the name given to the FAUX Greens by Patrick Moore, the founder of Greenpeace.

Like the Faux Greens, a Watermelon is all Green and shiny on the outside, but underneath that Shiny Green Exterior a political or Environmentalist Watermelon is flaming bright RED through & through.

 

[chickengeorgeto]

As I said, knock yourself out. I suggest those that prefer organic foods, use and consume them - thereby avoiding pesticides, herbicides, fungicides.... [etc]

The above is a fallacy. I doubt that I can cure your fallacy so I am not even going to try. I do hope however that I can prevent the fallacy that you are infected with from infecting others.

You people out there do a little detective work and find out for yourselves how many old fashioned, highly tested, and proven deadly pesticides are allowed and used on or in organic food crops. This is without making allowances for fraud and cheats who game the organic system. As for testing GMOs, currently there is no testing regiment in place in this country or in any other country
that looks for dangerous chemicals in organic groceries. But before they are released to be grown ALL GM crops must be cleared by up to 3 different government agencies. There now, don't you feel better about eating organic bamboo sprouts, leachy nuts, or real organic Mandarin oranges shipped all the way from Manchuria? Yea, I though that you would.

Before GM Bt cotton came along when I came home from my day job during the Summer I tested the air with my nose for cotton or boll weevil poison. If I smelled cotton poison within 1 mile of my house I set my alarm clock to go off one hour early. The reason I did this is so I would have time to pickup all the dead song birds underneath my shade trees the next morning before my dogs or my chickens could eat the poisoned carcass. I've picked up as many as 8 birds on a single morning. I did this 15 or 20 times each year because regardless of what some of you are fixing to post, the average cotton farmer in my part of the world administered boll weevil poison 11 times a season. This could result in 44 or more fields of cotton being sprayed within 1 mile of my house. Now come on, post that GMO's result in increased usage of insecticides if you want to, it'll only prove my case that a poster who says that is either grossly uninformed or worst about GMOs and about that which he or she posts.

 

[Cindy in PA]

GM crops are cleared by 3 different government agencies??? Wow I feel better about them already!

 

[OldGuy43]

GM crops are cleared by 3 different government agencies??? Wow I feel better about them already!

I do have to agree with you there Cindy! (From the people who gave you the saccharine scare... ) However, even a blind hog gets an acorn every now and than.

 

[OldGuy43]

Nice strawman. How's this one:

Birthing babies is one of the most profitable things hospitals do - babies must therefore be wrong and dangerous.

When I first read this I decided that I didn't want to go into that meat grinder again, but here it goes;
Ask yourself, "Why are GMO's necessary?" Mankind got by without them for millions of years.
Answer: WE HAVE OVERPOPULATED SPACESHIP EARTH!!! All of our environmental issues can be traced back to this unarguable fact! Therefore, babies are wrong and dangerous.

Let the hate barrage begin.

 

[CrazyTalk]

GM crops are cleared by 3 different government agencies??? Wow I feel better about them already!

As opposed to the non-GM crops that don't have to be approved by anyone?

You can literally dose a plant with enough radiation to get it to mutate, grow it's seeds out, and sell them as organic without any sort of safety testing.