Pullet seems shock-y?

[Michael Apple]

Safegard liguid goat wormer is also a very good wormer. It gets the same worms as Valbazen except for tapeworm. You might find it easier locally, but here is an online source for Valbazen: http://www.valleyvet.com/ct_detail....=34525401043&gclid=CJTev4bQ_rkCFdFaMgodDTMADg

The problem with Safeguard isn't just that it won't kill tapes. It shouldn't be given during a moult. Birds will develop deformed feathering from fenbendazole. The pigeon folks know about that.

My feed store didn't have valbazen. Is there a recommended online source? I'll look for casportpony's guidelines, too. Thanks again!

I should ask first - should I hold off on the wazine, then, until I can find valbazen? What about the abx - go ahead with those?

Here's a decent price, and I've ordered from them before: http://www.valleyvet.com/ct_detail.html?pgguid=30e07949-7b6a-11d5-a192-00b0d0204ae5
Wazine is a waste of time.

 

[Eggcessive]

Her birds are 5 months old and are not molting, so Safegard is fine. Tapeworms are not that common. I agree that Valbazen is best--that is what I said.

 

[Michael Apple]

Her birds are 5 months old and are not molting, so Safegard is fine. Tapeworms are not that common. I agree that Valbazen is best--that is what I said.

Important to know about moulting regardless of age. Tapes are more common in some areas than others. If you're going to use a wormer, why not recommend what's safer and more effective?
http://japr.fass.org/content/16/3/392.full.pdf

 

[casportpony]

Not suggesting anyone do this, but I have given Safeguard to many molting birds and have seen no issues with their feathers.

-Kathy

 

[Michael Apple]

Well, here are a few links just to show I'm not making it up:

1."Fenbendazole has been shown to be a very effective treatment for eliminating Capillaria (capillary worms), Heterakis (cecal worms), Ascaridia (roundworms), and Syngamus spp. (gapeworms). Toxicity from overdosing with fenbendazole is very remote. Research indicates that amounts up to 100 times the recommended dosages have been given under research conditions without adverse effects to the birds. Use of this product during molt, however, may cause deformity of the emerging feathers."
http://msucares.com/poultry/diseases/solutions.html

2."Panacur (fenbendazole) effective against the three major worms but has potential to cause feather damage. Do not use during reproduction or moult. 5mg per pigeon per day for 3 days. "
http://www.pigeonnetwork.com/vetdirectory/vetusa/drdavidmarx/medicine.cfm

I believe you are being truthful, Kathy. I just prefer not to take chances. I do have something to mention besides.
I recently received a brand of wormer never used before. It is Trifen Avicola, an Albendazole tab at 70 mg each. It states 1 tab for every 2.5 lbs. for 3 days. I have never used a wormer which directs a dosage 3 days in a row.

 

[casportpony]

Just thinking outloud here...

I'm not positive, but I think it was Dr. Teresa Lightfoot that published something about fenbendazole and feathers? For me, one of the things I do when I find a sick bird is worm it and right now I have a bunch with pox, some with wet, some with dry, some with both and all are molting. Like I said before, I don't recommend it, but all of my sick ones get wormed because I feel the benefit of de-worming outweighs the risk of funny feathers. In the last few weeks I have wormed about 25 that are in various stages of molt, so it will be interesting to see what happens.

Another thing to know about fenbendazole is that is not recommended for use during breeding season which matters to me when it comes to the peafowl given how hard it is to get decent hatch rates.

I have seen Trifen before and I believe that a few years ago the was a product called Trifen Plus which had fenbendazole and ivermectin, but now Trifen Plus has albendazole and abamectin, so go figure, lol.

Regarding your tablets, I imagine that using that amount of albendazole 3 days in a row will get 100% of all worms, including gapes, I just wish they would do more studies with it.

-Kathy

 

[casportpony]

Forgot to say that theTrifen and Trifen Plus are two different products!

Just wanted to share what I had seen.

-Kathy

 

[Michael Apple]

Forgot to say that theTrifen and Trifen Plus are two different products!

Just wanted to share what I had seen.

-Kathy

Yes Trifen Plus is fenbendazole and ivermectin according to this: http://www.gamefowlsupplies.com/collections/wormers/products/trifen-plus-100-tablets

Trifen Avicola is Albendazole according to the label on my container.

 

[casportpony]

And this one has albendazole and abamectin.
http://www.mexi-cali.net/eng/index/item/23/26/trifen-plus-de-wormer-100-pills

-Kathy

 

[Michael Apple]

And this one has albendazole and abamectin.
http://www.mexi-cali.net/eng/index/item/23/26/trifen-plus-de-wormer-100-pills

-Kathy

Strange, huh? Perhaps the different formulas are old versus new? I prefer liquids or tabs/capsules with wormers. Some of those tabs/capsules can be rather large, especially for a smaller bird. The benefit of tabs is you can cut them for a small bird. With capsules you have to cut squares of lightly moistened bread and feed it to the bird. I don't like the wormers that require withholding feed or mixing with feed/water.