pullet still sick after deworming for capillary worms: UPDATE

OK, well first of all we used the Sulfa because at the time, we weren't sure what was wrong, and the Sulfa was more broad-spectrum than the Amprol, that's why we chose it, I've heard from others too that Valbazen would have been the better choice...but now I know, I guess...
Secondly, yeah, if I'd gone to a poultry vet, then maybe I would have pressed for more answers, but in this case, we wanted to know if the bird had internal parasites. I had to wheedle the vet to get him to do the fecal even, he didn't want to, as he's not an avian vet. Really the only reason he did was, for one thin, he's our regular vet for our other animals, and the State vets decided he was ok to work with when they were dealing with the necropsy of our bird last spring,when they diagnosed the Capillary worms to begin with. So this is just a follow up, and that's the way he approached it this time. He was basically doing me a favor, and did what he thought would work. I didn't want to make him nervous pushing for a lot of explanation. He's a large animal vet, he deals with farm animals, I figured he had a pretty clear idea what he was doing, and went with just trusting him. Some vets don't like a lot of questions. He will charge less to do a fecal than the avian vets will, so...I agree, I wish he'd been little more specific, but we're small town here, sometimes its better to just shut up.
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Frannie is doing ok, she ate all her breakfast (with canned pumpkin) and her dinner, Flock Raiser and a little scratch. I found some probiotic powder at the feed mill, so I will start her on it.

Her tail seems to be up more, and it looks to me as if her color is a little better. I cleaned out her dog crate and will wait for a good fecal sample, then I guess the best course of action will be to get another fecal done? She is starting to make wistful noises when she sees the others outside her pen, so hopefully that's a good sign.
 
Thank you! She actually seems much better tonight. Her appetite is excellent, color is better. I started her on the Probiotics this morning.
Also, droppings look normal now! I will keep her in hospital a few more days, on the probiotics, and then decide what to do, I guess.

But now we have one of our eight week old chicks, still with mom and sibs, that is acting funny. This is getting ridiculous. I don't want to separate her from the family group. I have the dewormer the vet gave us,( Panacur liquid but we don't know the strength) there's also Safeguard liquid ( I( think it's liquid, not paste) at the mill. Should I try to deworm just her with one of those? Or just her and her siblings? They are running with the flock but still stay in their family group. So I think I could mix dewormer in just their food, or give it to them individually, but what to use? She is puffed up, walks a little slow and stilted, and acts cold. And seems to have a bit of a swallowing difficulty at times, which makes me think it's the Capilllary worms again. Appetite a bit off. Nothing else to see.
 
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Panacur liquid is usually 10% fenbendazole, same as the safeguard liquid goat wormer. Dose your mama hen 1/2cc orally undiluted once a day for 5 days straight.
Do you use the deep litter method? If so, the deep litter method can be a hotbed for capillary worms/eggs. That's one reason why I never recommend deep litter method.
 
Panacur liquid is usually 10% fenbendazole, same as the safeguard liquid goat wormer. Dose your mama hen 1/2cc orally undiluted once a day for 5 days straight.
Do you use the deep litter method? If so, the deep litter method can be a hotbed for capillary worms/eggs. That's one reason why I never recommend deep litter method.

OK, but what about the chicks? It's just one chick that is showing symptoms. She's the one I want to treat. Shes about eight weeks old and weighs a couple of ounces. If they are to be dosed individually, and not as a group, then what would the dose be for a chick?
 
I don't know how common it is for eight week old chicken chicks to get capillary worms, but if they do, I would give 0.05 ml per 100 grams of body weight for five days, just like you did for the JG. All adults I would give 0.5 ml per 1000 grams for five days, which is 0.23 ml per pound.

Source:http://edis.ifas.ufl.edu/ps046
Table 2.
Example of target body weights during the rearing of replacement pullets.
Age
(weeks)

Body weight
(Pounds)

(Grams)
1

0.14

65
2

0.24

110
3

0.40

180
4

0.55

250
5

0.71

320
6

0.88

400
7

1.10

500
8

1.28

580
9

1.50

680
10

1.70

770
11

1.92

870
12

2.09

950
13

2.27

1030
14

2.43

1100
15

2.56

1160
16

2.67

1210
17

2.76

1250
18

2.82

1280
19

2.89

1310
20

3.00

1360

-Kathy
 
@chicknmania , at 8 weeks of age I really hope that she's *way* more than "a couple of ounces". Two ounces is about how big they are when they're a week old. With her I would also think about coccidiosis as a possibility. I know you said you already treated for that, but it's still something to consider.

Do yourself a huge favor, go buy a scale. Don't know if you have a Harbor Freight near you... they have a nice scale on sale for $18. http://www.harborfreight.com/digital-scale-95364.html

Can you post a picture of her poop?

-Kathy
 
yes, I've been looking for a scale. By a couple ounces I meant less than a pound, sorry. I'm sure she does not weigh a pound. She's a small chick, always has been. Is smaller than her siblings. Her mother is not very big either, though, estimate she weighs three or four pounds. And Peanut, the chick, could turn out to be a bantam, we do have some bantams in the flock and I'm sure they are not going to follow the target weight chart you listed. We do have a Harbor Freight, I will go there to look, thank you!

So is it ok to put all the chicks on somemedicated chick starter, and still treat her for worms at the same time?
 

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