Pumpkin Hulsey Color Genetics?

[jeromeamado]

WHO IS THE OWNER THIS ROOSTER SIR

 

[cgmccary]

I have an interesting result from crossing that batnam pumpkin sport hen, who I now believe is genotypically Bl-Bl and not I^d-I^d, and have gotten some unexpectly cool results. The females appear to be classic Blue Silver Duckwings (due to being S-_, but the males have pumpkin/ginger bodies and wing bows and bars (though different shades of red), blue tails and intermediate Silver-gold (S-s) wing bays, hackle and saddle feathers that look remarkably like the Creme-Brown Old English Game Bantams from Australia as shown on Feathersite.

http://www.feathersite.com/Poultry/Games/GameBantams/BRKOEGBantamsUK.html

See the fourth row down, middle photo.

Mine look this way because of being S-s rather than being s-s with the ig modifier. I'm open to any suggestions on what my best choice for getting the creme gene into my AGBs. I am unaware of its presence in Large Fowl American Games. I would love to take advantage of this bit of serendipity and attempt to fix the traits, as I've wanted this color type since I saw an American Serama with it at a show a couple years ago. Frustrating that I can't get one of the standardized Cream Browns from Oz, but it is what it is. I guess I need to find a largish OEGB with ig-ig to make a real Cream Brown from what I've got.

Boy, based on those photos, Aussie OEGBs sure look a lot more like AGBs than the US version of OEGBs.

I have a Game male that appears to be real Cream Brown. This is him a couple of years ago as a cockerel. http://i148.photobucket.com/albums/s38/cgmccary/IM001185.jpg

 

[Poultriary]

I have a Game male that appears to be real Cream Brown. This is him a couple of years ago as a cockerel. http://i148.photobucket.com/albums/s38/cgmccary/IM001185.jpg

For those intersted in or have information on Cream Browns (which would seem to be to be more appropriately called Cream Gingers), I have started a new topic for them here:

https://www.backyardchickens.com/t/817773/the-cream-brown-variety

 

[logan209]

My canary and white hulseys. Not the best pic and birds are molting. but they breed true to canary yellow.

 

[Poultriary]

My canary and white hulseys. Not the best pic and birds are molting. but they breed true to canary yellow.

Well, the "ingredients" for a Buff bird are all in the Hulseys, which is built on a base of Wheaten. You just randomly bred out the red enhancers.

 

[logan209]

Poultriary thanks for the comment. Ya i was told there is wheaten in the hulsey. I have some american game bantams that are wheaten that will throw pumpkins and some yellow gold. and ive always wondered about selecting for just the yellow. my goal now is too enhance the yellow to brighter and less buff but they fairly extra yellow already but it wouldnt hurt to improve upon it.

 

[Poultriary]

There are enough red diluters and enhancers that I think it would be possible select for a specific shade of yellow. Even just selectively breeding your current line might get you there.

You should also pay attention the skin and undercolor of your birds, and to their diet. I would select for the most yellow legs/skin and for white down. Providing a lot of yellow corn in the feed may enhance the yellow as well.

 

[logan209]

Thanks ill now I know a bit more to look for when breeding them. thanks

 

[Poultriary]

FYI, There is also a good pumpkin discussion on Ultimate Fowl. There may be some additional input you could get there.

Also, you may know that Buff is also has Wheaten as its base allele, so you could definitely breed towards what you want with what you've started with.

 

[tadkerson]

I have a Game male that appears to be real Cream Brown. This is him a couple of years ago as a cockerel. http://i148.photobucket.com/albums/s38/cgmccary/IM001185.jpg

The bird in the photo is dark brown restricted- that is why it has much of the black removed from the tail. I do not believe the birds actually carry the cream gene. I have made cream birds on silver wheaten dark brown restricted birds with a few other genes. See the picture below.

Tim