Puppy Emergency - Update - She's better - It was Cocci

First off I am hoping at this point your puppy is doing much better!! I have worked as a veterinary tech/assistant and now assistant for 8 years and counting. First off I didn't see anywhere in any of the posts where someone might have told you what the vaccination given to your puppy was. From what I can tell without knowing what manufacturer the vaccination came form it seems your puppy was given a canine distemper, adenovirus, corona, parainfluenza, parvovirus vaccination. Honestly I don't know of any puppy vaccinations that don't include parvovirus unless they are bought as separate vaccinations, such as one for parainfluenza, one for corona, etc etc.

To me it doesn't sound like your puppy has parvo. There are several tests available for in house use that can diagnose parvo even if a veterinarian does not think the puppy suffers from that, and we have had a few cases where I work where we have been surprised but even then there is normally a little bit of blood in the diarrhea. Any kind of diarrhea will have a distinct, lovely odor to it and dewormers can often make diarrhea worse, not always but it is possible. At this point if your puppy had parvo you should have SOME blood in the stool, or even stool that looks like it is nothing but blood, the puppy should not be active at all, not wanting to eat or drink, etc etc. Whenever any of my dogs get diarrhea or vomiting, puppy or adult, I will hold off food for a day, let them have water. It allows the stomach/intestines time to rest and they aren't going to hurt missing a meal. If you are already supplementing with nutrical or any kind of glucose in with the water, or pedialyte, you def don't need to worry about not feeding for 24 hours. We don't feed our hospitalized parvo dogs until they stop vomiting for at least 12 hours and often only give them ice chips/small amounts of water while we are standing there until vomiting ceases since they are on IVs. Intestinal parasites/coccidia can make animals feel very poorly or not affect them at all. Coccidia is also tricky to pick up on fecal examinations, even harder to find is giardia. I would lean more towards the possibility of an intestinal parasite issue than parvo, to me parvo would be way way way way on the bottom of my list if there at all. Also keep in mind that the puppy could have some kind of reaction to the medication it is on and it is not totally uncommon for animals to have adverse reactions to sulfa drugs. I am not sure about pyrs but I know dobermans as a breed tend to be more likely to have reactions to sulfa drugs, but also for coccidia there is not really any other reasonably priced treatment other than sulfa drugs.

Also, if an animal has been exposed to parvo before it was vaccinated they can still get parvo. In this case they were most likely incubating the disease when they were vaccinated and at that point the vaccine isn't going to help and you just have to attempt to get through everything. It is also important to realize that keeping vaccines refrigerated is of the upmost importance!! Even when we have puppies who come from a breeder if they vaccinate at home we often vaccinate 3 times (3 weeks apart) as we would normally for an unvaccinated puppy since if vaccines get warm at any point they can and are very likely to become useless. Unfortunately it is not uncommon for vaccines that come from a store like Tractor Supply, Co op, or even those ordered from online pet supply companies to be ineffective because they have gotten warm at one point or another.

Sorry for the long post, if you have any more questions just post here or feel free to PM me, I am sure I have meant to post more here, as long winded as this post was, but just can't think of what else I meant to cover. I hope your puppy is doing much better, I am sure both of you could use a full night's sleep!!!!!!
 
It sounds like your pup is getting better, but I just had to comment on the vomiting/diarrhea.....I'm wondering if it could be rotavirus.

I know when babies/small children get rotavirus, it causes terribly foul-smelling diarrhea with a very distinct odor. And it usually takes several days to get over it. The only way to cure it is to keep them full of fluids, as it is most dangerous due to dehydration.

If she is constantly eating bird droppings though, it could be she had a bad case of salmonella poisoning. Dogs will be dogs, unfortunately.
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They're GROSSSSSS animals! LOL, but still cute.
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i know you have had all the other other info and it is a lot to take in, but here's my 2 cents.
i had to puppy's that were 3/4 labs. at 6 months old, one day olivia was lethargic, not eating, not drinking, yellow smelly puke, diahrea. i waited about a day or two and then took her to the vet, who said she had parvo and that there wasn't much to be done. since i had some extra money, i left her with the vet and had her hooked up to IVs. It took a few days. In the meantime, her sister bridgette was an active puppy with no signs at all, but just in case i got her vaccinated for parvo. that seemed to overload her little system. she died the same night she got the vaccine. I stayed up all night with her trying to give her gatorade and pushing water, anything to help. I finally fell asleep for a few hrs. and she died in my bathroom.
my moral is that it may be parvo, if it is then don't vaccinate the other dog see if he show up with any symptoms. otherwise if he has it ,and it takes longer to show up, and you vaccinate him without knowing you may overload his system with the parvo virus and kill him anyway.
clean everything with hospital strength bleach, you can usually find this at Lowe's. the label has to say that it will kill parvo. do not dilute it. if your dog dies from parvo, then you need to have it cremated so that her body won't contaminate the ground with parvo. Parvo lives in the ground for up to 12 yrs., heat and cold do nothing to it. you could take you dog on a walk and if a dog with parvo left any bodily fluids there over the last 12 yrs. you dog could get parvo if it wasn't vaccinated in time.
I still have olivia, but miss bridgette. i just didn't vaccinate in time. i know you did. parvo is hard on everyone. i hope that whatever it is that your dog will pull through.
 
Thank you all for your help - it is much appreciated. A special thank you to Jywel417 for your very informative post - I'm sure it will help others who come across this thread.

Scout seems to be fine and dandy this morning. She stayed outside all day yesterday and last night and never seemed lethargic. She ate and drank when fed and played with her brother. This morning she's in my way as I go about my farm chores and into everything, same as always. I had to carry her out of the chicken coop - her favorite place to dine. She became suddenly deaf and would not leave.
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She ate and drank when fed this morning. Since she's been outside, I haven't been able to see her poop but can only guess by her behavior that whatever it was seems to have passed through her system.

I'll still take her to the vet tomorrow to be checked but looks like she's made it through.

Thank you all for your help, concern and prayers. I was really afraid for the poor little thing - she looked so pathetic. We are still giving the sulfa (Sulmet) as prescribed by the vet so maybe the vet was right and she had Cocci. The brother (Addicus) is also getting the same treatment but he has not shown any signs of being sick.

Well....as Roseann Roseannadanna says - "It's always something...." Our entire town's power has been out since the lightning storm yesterday. It knocked out Entergy's substation so we are having to work our e-mail/internet based business via generator but there's no gas stations open because of the lack of power so when the gas we have on hand runs out or the generator burns out.......
 
I'm happy to hear she seems to be recovering. The first puppy we adopted from SICSA(Society for the Improvement of the Conditions of Stray Animals) in Ohio came down with parvo just after we took him home, and when we called the shelter, they said to rush him back in. They took him to their vet, put him on IV fluids, and in a few days, he was back home with us. Lived to be 10.
 
WOOT !!! GREAT to hear she is feeling better. . . and as far as the suddenly deaf problem . . . I think that is a very common problem in dogs, children, men, not that we women EVER do anything like that tho . . .
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In all honesty who knows what was wrong, it could have been the coccidia but dogs do like to get random viruses, maybe she swallowed a piece of a toy, she ate something weird (besides chicken poop, since that is def normal dog behavior as far as I can tell
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) Hope she continues to do well and that you are able to get your power back on soon !!
 
UPDATE - both puppies went to the vet today and Scout did have Coccidia. There were dead cocci in the poop which the vet said meant the medicine was working. Addicus didn't have any parasites or protozoa or anything else in his but the vet gave us a pill form of sulfa drug to give both puppies. So, looks like the vet was right and she had Cocci. The vet said the mustard yellow runny diarrhea is almost always Cocci.

Scout today was as good as new. You can tell she feels so much better - she's running and bouncing again and eating like it's going out of style. Even though she is still showing she lost 3 out of 25 pounds during the ordeal, she had probably already gained back a couple of pounds just over the last day/night because she hasn't stopped eating.

Thanks to everyone for your prayers. I believe they worked and she's back with us. Thank the Lord it wasn't Parvo.
 
WOOT !! That is great to hear !! I know that in kittens with coccidia they have a VERY distinctive look to their diarrhea. I just didn't remember anything specific about looks for dogs! Your girl will gain her weight back in no time !! Glad to hear everything is going well now !!
 

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