Quail tip for the day

[Nabiki]

I thought Falb Fee bred true? Is that not the case?

 

[muddy75]

I'm so confused. First you say "you cannot get the gene except through German pastels" then in the same paragraph you say "well, you can, but it will be weaker." Which is it, and why do you say so? Didn't the fee gene was come in on both the German pastel import and the SSC import? Why do you need a German pastel vs. any other fee-carrier? (My silver male throws pearls when paired with an Italian).

What does "stronger and more pure" mean in this context? You're saying the German pastels are homozygous fee and in general falb-fee are only heterozygous for it? Or the germans carry epistatic genes that help the pearl coloration express better when compared to results with other colors?

@Myshire Farm Quail (please feel free to elaborate and/or correct me). per my interpretation...the fee gene originates in german pastel and thus creates the falb fee, pearl, grau-fee and others when bred with varying colors. you can introduce the “fee gene” via falb fee etc but the gene is strongest in the point of origin. (in myshire genetics videos, there is mention of punnet square type results for certain breeding groups).
i learned a small portion of this with my own experience as Zack identified what i thought was a falb fee tux as actually a grau-fee tux hatched from my mixed flock. I did not possess any grau-fee that i know of at the time of this hatch.....so evidently it must have come from a tibetan tux hen x german pastel male. *my breeding program is like a box of chocolates*
(had i known that cross in advance, i might not have so aggressively bid to win the grau-fee auction )

 

[muddy75]

so this is “Falbio” my main male (who i hatched in february from an assortment hatch) *lets just say that with my help, he’s survived many cull/butcher dates*. i’ve always considered him a falb-fee but as you can see, he has a lot of brown tones especially in the sunlight and different from every falb-fee hatched since. have i been wrong about his color???

 

[CoturnixComplex]

I am not getting my questions across well.

I understand that we're talking about fee + various color combinations.

It's just that "most pure" "strongest" etc are not very helpful terms technically speaking. German pastels are not the only color to carry the fee gene, and I still don't understand why they're preferred over other colors for adding it to golden italian types to create pearls. I understand that there probably is a good reason, but that reason has not been explained. That's why I asked if it was being implied that german pastels were generally homozygous for fee (the only interpretation of "strongest" that kind of makes sense to me) or if it was because of some other modifier german pastels carry that other fee-types don't, or...?

 

[CoturnixComplex]

(I'm just trying to understand why the tip is "german pastel + italian = pearl" instead of more generally "fee gene + italian = pearl." What am I missing genetically that's important besides the fee gene in that equation? There must be something!)

 

[Myshire Farm Quail]

I'm so confused. First you say "you cannot get the gene except through German pastels" then in the same paragraph you say "well, you can, but it will be weaker." Which is it, and why do you say so? Didn't the fee gene was come in on both the German pastel import and the SSC import? Why do you need a German pastel vs. any other fee-carrier? (My silver male throws pearls when paired with an Italian).

What does "stronger and more pure" mean in this context? You're saying the German pastels are homozygous fee and in general falb-fee are only heterozygous for it? Or the germans carry epistatic genes that help the pearl coloration express better when compared to results with other colors?

As far as my experience goes. The it is far better to work with the fee gene through Germans than anything else. But feel free to do whatever you want.

 

[Myshire Farm Quail]

@Myshire Farm Quail (please feel free to elaborate and/or correct me). per my interpretation...the fee gene originates in german pastel and thus creates the falb fee, pearl, grau-fee and others when bred with varying colors. you can introduce the “fee gene” via falb fee etc but the gene is strongest in the point of origin. (in myshire genetics videos, there is mention of punnet square type results for certain breeding groups).
i learned a small portion of this with my own experience as Zack identified what i thought was a falb fee tux as actually a grau-fee tux hatched from my mixed flock. I did not possess any grau-fee that i know of at the time of this hatch.....so evidently it must have come from a tibetan tux hen x german pastel male. *my breeding program is like a box of chocolates*
(had i known that cross in advance, i might not have so aggressively bid to win the grau-fee auction )

Better said than me hahahahaha

 

[mixedUPturk]

At this point i am beyond confused. German pastel isnt a single color. It is a collection of a variety of colors. Like my cream rooster.

 

[el dorado quail]

At this point i am beyond confused. German pastel isnt a single color. It is a collection of a variety of colors. Like my cream rooster.

Me too
How do creams? plus italians get black and white pearls?

 

[muddy75]

At this point i am beyond confused. German pastel isnt a single color. It is a collection of a variety of colors. Like my cream rooster.

yes it is a collection but the collection have the fee gene in common