question about the effects of Wazine

[efiboy]

Had an adult bird become sick & die from what we believe to be worms. I decided to worm the whole flock of adult birds with Wazine. I used 1oz per 1gal of water and now all birds seem to have Diahorrea is this normal ?

 

[allaboutdemchicks]

Your dosage sounds right.... I've used Wazine 17 for a while now and I've never noticed any problems associated with the wormer.

Hmmm....

Regardless, make sure you keep them well watered so they will not dehydrate.

They most likely will be fine, but with you already having a death in the flock really keep an eye on them. I hope something else isn't going on with them that is disease related.

Good luck on this....

Claudia

 

[threehorses]

Worming, even with gentle products, can sometimes be stressful for a flock. I'd add some poultry electrolytes to their water tomorrow to make up for what they lost today. I also always like to give probiotics any time I worm, or have a diet change, or do anything that involves changes for the digestive tract.

Since you're not using a chemical that ends with -mycin or -cycline, you could use plain yogurt at a rate of 1 tablespoon per adult bird to provide the beneficial living lactobacilli bacteria that make "probiotics" so useful. During any stress, the good bacteria are sometimes stressed and decrease in number. So adding some back is helpful and will help with diarrhea.

If you want, try 'hiding' the yogurt in some cooked oatmeal, Make it drier than usual, add the oatmeal to make it normal in wetness, feed to all the birds. This will not only help sooth the digestive tract (oatmeal), provide something for the incoming and existing bacteria to eat (oatmeal fiber), but birds love it.

By the way, Wazine (piperazine solution) only kills adult worms - not the larva that are still in the bird. It has to be repeated and repeated to continuously kill the larva emerging into adulthood. For that reason in birds over four months of age I like to use a stronger wormer as the "follow up" instead of using Wazine again. Note - I DO use Wazine first. Just the "follow up" in birds over four months with a stronger wormer kills larval stages of the worms so that they can't reinfect the birds.

Some options are fenbendazole (Safeguard paste, or solution for cattle/horses/goats 10% - PM for directions), ivermectin (pour-on for cattle, or paste for horses - PM for directions), abendazole/Valbazan, or levamisole. I particularly like fenbendazole and ivermectin because of the range of parasites they're known to treat in poultry.

Then I worm twice annually thereafter with the stronger wormer.

I use the Wazine first worming on birds who meet any of the following qualifications:
Under four months of age.
Unknown worming history.
Hasn't been wormed in over 6 months.
Is shedding worms in the feces.

The reason I do so is mainly that whenever there's a risk of a heavy infestation of worms, I don't like to kill all the adults and larva at once; I feel it's too stressful, and I've heard of birds literally clogging from all the worms leaving, or going into shock as the larva and adults die inside of them. Wazine only kills the adults - and so it's a more conservative and safe first worming for birds. And as for knowing how many worms a bird has, you can never tell by looking at the feces. Worms (other than tapeworms) stay inside the bird to live; they often only shed their eggs, not themselves or they'd die. Eggs are only visable microscopically, through a "fecal egg count" at the vet. So I assume that a bird has more worms than I suspect when I'm treating them. So use Wazine first to be safe, do the required followup with something more strong (in birds over four months old). Doing so will allow you to worm LESS often annually.

I've used and am exploring other more natural products inbetween in hopes of controlling the over-all population of worms in the environment and repelling worms in the birds. Note these will NOT expel worms, are not "wormers", they do not act on the shed worm eggs, but their use might possibly help reduce the numbers of parasites to which chickens are exposed between wormings:

DE (food grade ONLY - in the feed at a rate of less than 2% of their entire meal - stirred in well)
VermX (a self-claimed worm repellent, though it must be repeated monthly 3 days a month)
Cayenne - sprinkled on the food.
Sand instead of soil as the "dirt" in runs - it is more dry thus less friendly to parasites.
Horse bedding pine shavings instead of Hay in the coops - again more dry.

 

[efiboy]

thank you to both of you this is good info

 

[threehorses]

Anytime, hon.