Rant Rant Rant!!!

[spatcher]

I know I have gotten into a few confrontations with people in BYC regarding the use of Sevin dust on their chickens. I have used it myself in my garden and my home in both the dry and liquid forms. I know in my heart that sevin will kill any and all parasites your chickens will ever encounter. Having said that, I think it is important that you know the hazards of using it. Will your chickens live if you use it on them? Of course they will. Will it shorten their lives? Maybe. I dont really know. I do know that the manufacturer of sevin suggests it not be used on chickens.
I can just see the scenario where someone is dying at an early age and some ambulance chasing lawyer determines that the only thing out of the ordinary was that Mr X ate only fresh eggs from XXX farm, and oh yes, they did use sevin on their chickens...Far fetched? Of course it is. Possible? Of course it is. Wanna lose your farm in a law suit? Of course you dont. The only problem I personally have encountered on this site is with certain Mods that suggest its use. Their "I use it all the time" and "no problems with it" attitude is misleading in my opinion. Anyone being entrusted with the position of being a Moderator "should" suggest other options in lieu of stating or implying something is safe because "thats what I do".
I gaurantee you that if a "Mod" gave a response to a new person that was having a problem with their chickens not eating that "well I usually give them a little sulfuric acid", someone would try it! Jesus, tell them you use it, but also tell them that others refuse to because of the other info thats out there.
I could really give a darn what you use on your chickens. I honestly dont. If there is controversary over it, tell them! If you cant see that there are two sides to this issue maybe you shouldnt be a Moderator.
The replies of "thank you for this and thank you for that" is sickening, because the "Mods" must know everything! There are a lot of people out there that cannot think for themselves. Have you ever considered that? This is a super site! Use it to inform, help, aid or support. If the Administrator would like me to leave, just say so. I promise you that I will never make another post.
I have learned a lot here. I am sure I can learn a lot more. I will certainly leave if you want me to. To all the members here, please BE informed and check out www.healthyworld.org/sevin.html You might change your mind about using "sevin"!
And oh yes! If you are selling your eggs, please let those poor souls know what you are putting on your chickens!!!

Thanx,
Tim

 

[Hangin Wit My Peeps]

WOW that was a good rant! I like reading things like this because you are right...we DO need to know what is in the products we use on our chickens. And it's always good to know options. I know I would think twice if my "egg lady" uses it. Just our personal choice... I KNOW for a fact my husband would not buy them. He wants to be all organic and sevin obviously is not. I personally would not use it OR buy eggs from people who use it, knowingly that is. But of course that's my own opinion too.

 

[Wolf-Kim]

That was a pretty good rant. Very informational! You are correct, people should do their own research instead of just taking people's words for it. I whole heartedly agree. Research all sides of a topic before choosing your stand, then at least you know why you chose it yourself.

-Kim

 

[adoptedbyachicken]

Spatcher if you have a dispute with a particular Moderator or you wish to address the Administrator please use the PM system. Publicly is not the way to do it.

Regarding Sevin (and every other compound advice is given on here) it is up to the person to do their own research and see if the product fits their program or not. Sevin for example has had it’s approval for use in poultry removed in several countries. Regardless of membership status of the person here if the advice given you is not in keeping with your local laws it’s up to you to not go ahead with that product. Also it’s totally up to you to decide if it’s in keeping with your goals. Sevin is certainly not organic but it’s up to you to decide if your chickens are to be organic. Rotenone is just as effective and is organic, so make your decision. And I stress it is YOUR decision, regardless of the advice given or the status/location of the person giving it.

 

[PurpleChicken]

Spatcher,

I hate pesticides too. You have every right to speak out against
this stuff.

Just don't point at moderators or anyone who supports using it.
You only hurt your cause.

Promote other options and pass on information showing the negative
affects of sevin.

 

[silkiechicken]

If you have a dispute with a mod, talk with them rather than posting it on the open board as mentioned earlier.

I've personally never used seven myself on birds but rather a "poultry dust" because here, seven on poultry would be an off label use. Everyone needs to think on their own, and if they kill or injure their pets or animals due to blindly following someones word on the internet without even goggling the compound they are using, then well, tough luck, they need to think first. Members and mods here can only speak from their experiences. As a mod, I don't know everything and can only talk from what I have experienced. I wasn't asked to be a mod for being a dictionary or an instant emergency answer book.

 

[neblotti]

Sounds like good info but what do you think people should use instead of sevin? And I agree with everyone else people on here just tell others what they do and use. I have gotten alot of good info on here. But I am one of those people who read alot too. But thanks for bringing this to our attention. I look forward to seeing what you use as an alternative.

 

[Scrambled Egg]

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Yeah, I agree with the above posters on making your issue with a moderator's opinion private........has to be confusing for the new people....

 

[hinkjc]

I disagree that Mods should know everything. First of all, that is impossible. No one knows everything..that's why we're here..sharing our experiences. In my opinion, a mod is like everyone else here as far as raising chickens, with the added ability to manage the forum from problem situations. I think you could have raised your point in a much more educational way than pointing fingers at those you disagree with. You have an excellent point about Sevin but you lost my attention when you started bashing people about their shared experiences. The point of the forum is to get an array of experiences from different folks, so you can make your own, individual choice as to what works for you and your situation. The I'm right and your wrong attitude doesn't help you win the argument - proving your case in a positive tone does. Good luck to you and whatever you choose to do.

Jody

 

[hdchic]

I'm on the fence with this one....

I used to be a Mod on a completely different forum, and ONE of the criteria was that you had more knowledge than the average poster concerning the topic, therefore, you imparted that knowledge to others. The average poster would read your posts, and POSSIBLY apply your knowledge to their own life. Not everyone googles everything, which is why there ARE forums...they can search it out, read what has/has not worked for others, and move from there. ***Before you flame that, I agree that extensive research should be done, and if they don't have the time they shouldn't do it****

I don't think pointing fingers is good, however general it may seem. I DO agree that Mods should post disclaimers of some sort. The forum I used to Mod on made you put a disclaimer in your siggy. Not a bad idea. It was also encouraged by the owner to post one at the beginning of your post, should it contain 'controversial' methods. *shrugs*

People are so 'electronic' they don't think outside what the internet, or the people on it, have to say. They think its the 'gospel' or all knowing of what they need and take it to heart. I think that is what the OP is trying to say....safety first. JMO