Ranting about horrible mix breeding between all animals no matter what the animal is

[black_cat]

Why is your title about "all animals" but is only focused on dogs? How about a fainting goat bred with a pigmy? No good? And for the love of god, please use SOME punctuation!!!...???

Why would that cross be bad? I'm genuinely curious, I know nothing about goats lol

 

[JacinLarkwell]

Why would that cross be bad? I'm genuinely curious, I know nothing about goats lol

I think it was just the first example they could think of that wasn't a dog or chicken

 

[black_cat]

So no, I don’t believe in purity for purity’s sake. I believe in breeding to make a healthier end result, which means introducing fresh genes from time to time.

YEs!!! Agreed!

I’m not a big fan of shelters. Primarily because in modern times they’re mostly repositories for random pit bull crosses that IMHO should be all put down if they aren’t wanted both for safety’s sake and for practicality. Those dogs are physically quite healthy but it’s Russian roulette as to how dangerous they are. Yes, temperament is first and foremost a function of genetics. I’m convinced you can take a dog born with good temperament and make it dangerous with poor raising but you won’t make one born with a bad temperament safe. People seem to find the notion that some dogs are born bad as unfair, as if fairness actually exists in nature. It doesn’t, and yes some or even many dogs are born dangerous.

Pitbulls didn't start bad, but with years of breeding for dog fights, I wouldn't own one. Was that story about the guy who's pitbull that had never had problems before literally tore his australian shepherd puppy to pieces in this thread, or another?

 

[JacinLarkwell]

I think it was just the first example they could think of that wasn't a dog or chicken

But some fainting goats do have health problems too I believe

 

[black_cat]

I think it was just the first example they could think of that wasn't a dog or chicken

Yeah but I'm assuming that there's some truth behind it and I'd like to know why it's bad lol

 

[Florida Bullfrog]

YEs!!! Agreed!

Pitbulls didn't start bad, but with years of breeding for dog fights, I wouldn't own one. Was that story about the guy who's pitbull that had never had problems before literally tore his australian shepherd puppy to pieces in this thread, or another?

I have conflicting thoughts on pits. First, I don’t like the trend on TV and print to gloss over their dangers (or that of any other bulldog type for that matter). I agree that pits from an earlier era were safer than pits today. Even when they were used for dog fighting or livestock catching back then they were selectively bred to weed out human aggression. When dog fighting became a part of the American drug and street gang subculture selective breeding for safe dogs pretty much stopped.

On the other hand, I also agree that many similar bulldog types get misidentified as pits. Of those dogs I have actually know that have killed people (yes I have known such), they were actually all American bulldogs of the Scott type or Scott mixes. But they’re often identified as pits. Which there is precedence for that where the “pit bull” class of bulldogs have historically included American bulldogs, American pit bull terriers, American Staffordshire terriers, English Staffordshire bull terriers, and any other athletic and aggressive type of bulldog historically used for pit fighting after the end of bull baiting. And all of those dogs share similar genetic backgrounds and get crossed into each other.

I’ve never known a bad pit bull terrier. But I’ve never trusted one either. Especially around children. All of my American bulldogs that were dangerous showed warning signs that were clear to my eyes but may not be clear to someone else. I cannot say from experience whether a pit bull terrier truly “snaps” out of the blue or whether people ignore the warning signs. But a dangerous American bulldog is obvious so long as a person doesn’t ignore or excuse the warning signs.

I’d trust a pure pit of good breeding before a shelter mixed pit.

 

[TenderfootFarm]

I think it was just the first example they could think of that wasn't a dog or chicken

Yes.

Why would that cross be bad? I'm genuinely curious, I know nothing about goats lol

Nothing wrong with it. But it's not purebred, so by the OPs point it would be bad...right?

 

[Halfpasthen]

Poor doodles and poor groomers that have to deal with that doodle coat. Are you a groomer? So many people aren't aware of this and wonder why we groomers charge so much for grooming these dogs.

Edited to add that coming across the doodle owner that knows how to properly care for a doodle coat and does this proper care on a daily basis is like finding a needle in a haystack.

I am a groomer. Over the past 5 years the popularity of doodles has sky rocketed. I have roughly 75 doodles that I groom at this point. Before that it was yorkies. God bless ...so many yorkies. I prefer the doodles. It's hard to say where the blame falls for people being uneducated. As a pet owner it's your responsibility to research the care required for your pet. I've also had breeders flat out lie to clients about the grooming requirements though. One thing I can say is 100% of new doodle owners UNDERESTIMATE the amount of work THEY have to do to have a long haired dog. Most people end up shaving them after a few years.

 

[chickentrains]

Reckless crossing is more likely to lead to healthy dogs than excessive in-breeding. So between the two extremes I’d prefer the former.

I’m a big fan of bulldogs. It’s a shame what has been done to the English bulldog through excessive pure breeding and exaggeration of traits. Here’s a pure bred English bulldog from an earlier time:


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A modern English bulldog:
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So no, I don’t believe in purity for purity’s sake. I believe in breeding to make a healthier end result, which means introducing fresh genes from time to time.

The best bulldogs today are crosses, either fresh crosses or bulldogs that were crossed several generations back.

A couple of mine: this one is an English bulldog F1 cross to a French mastiff and further back also had Staffordshire infused in.
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This one was generational, meaning he bred true to his kind and was last crossed several generations previous. His distant ancestors besides English bulldog were American bulldog, bullmastiff, and pit bull.
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I’m not a big fan of shelters. Primarily because in modern times they’re mostly repositories for random pit bull crosses that IMHO should be all put down if they aren’t wanted both for safety’s sake and for practicality. Those dogs are physically quite healthy but it’s Russian roulette as to how dangerous they are. Yes, temperament is first and foremost a function of genetics. I’m convinced you can take a dog born with good temperament and make it dangerous with poor raising but you won’t make one born with a bad temperament safe. People seem to find the notion that some dogs are born bad as unfair, as if fairness actually exists in nature. It doesn’t, and yes some or even many dogs are born dangerous.

Pretty dog! Im a big fan of American bulldogs

 

[Silexian]

If I am just looking for a pet. I really don’t care what breed of dog it is. If it catches my eye. Seems to have enough between the ears to learn basic commands. With good temperament and character. I will take a chance on it. If I am looking for a dog to perform a specific duty. I.E. Livestock guardian, herding, hunting, etc. I am going to seek out a dog bred specifically for the task. From a reputable breeder, that uses their dogs for such activities. As for chickens, it really erks me. When someone advertises they have a specific breed chickens. Then list all the varieties they have of said breed. Then when I inquire about them. I discover all of their varieties are running together. There is a huge difference between the offspring being beautifully, colorful. Or the offspring being barnyard mixes!