She says she is a vegan and that motivates her writing and lifestyle. I agree that she is an extremist but do all vegans believe the same as her? As far as I can tell, they do.
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She says she is a vegan and that motivates her writing and lifestyle. I agree that she is an extremist but do all vegans believe the same as her? As far as I can tell, they do.
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I responded to the thread with what I thought was right. I did not argue with everything she said because she DID have some valueble points.
She is way off from most vegans. Vegans don't eat anything that came from or has a mother.
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No, all vegans do not have the same beliefs she does, and definitely not all of them are interested in changing *other* people or forcing their views into law. Granted, veganism seems to come from more extremist beginnings, so I do meet more vegans than I do vegetarians who are preachy and extreme. I could say the same for some other groups of people I know too of course. Same with raw food types (be it feeding themselves or their pets raw diets). I also meet a good number of self-described 'carnivores' who practically foam at the mouth in anger when the topic of food comes up. X) Extremism sucks as far as I'm concerned, but I can usually find people who don't fall into the ends of the spectrum.
EDITed to add that some vegetarian movements are more extremist in nature than others. Ie. If people converted due to AR groups or the lovely Peter Singer (who I just love tearing apart those ridiculous arguments...had quite a few fun spars with an ethics professor on that one). They tend to differ quite a bit when compared to the people I meet who made a personal choice, who naturally leaned that way due to how they interacted with animals, who have cultural/religious regions to do so, etc.
No, all vegans do not have the same beliefs she does, and definitely not all of them are interested in changing *other* people or forcing their views into law. Granted, veganism seems to come from more extremist beginnings, so I do meet more vegans than I do vegetarians who are preachy and extreme. I could say the same for some other groups of people I know too of course. Same with raw food types (be it feeding themselves or their pets raw diets). I also meet a good number of self-described 'carnivores' who practically foam at the mouth in anger when the topic of food comes up. X) Extremism sucks as far as I'm concerned, but I can usually find people who don't fall into the ends of the spectrum.
EDITed to add that some vegetarian movements are more extremist in nature than others. Ie. If people converted due to AR groups or the lovely Peter Singer (who I just love tearing apart those ridiculous arguments...had quite a few fun spars with an ethics professor on that one). They tend to differ quite a bit when compared to the people I meet who made a personal choice, who naturally leaned that way due to how they interacted with animals, who have cultural/religious regions to do so, etc.
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I would love to meet a vegan that didn't fall into the extremist category! Speaking of foaming at the mouth, that's what my cousin did when someone suggested her lifestyle was extreme. It was over the internet but I swear I could see the foam flinging off her bared teeth. She doesn't speak to me anymore (no, I wasn't the one who said she was extreme) but there was an incident...
She had become vegan while in college and then got a job after graduate school, in Australia (no, her name is not Catherine). She was always a spoiled brat but the veganism just seemed to amplify this or maybe it was the other way around, not sure. Her mom, my auntie, makes a lot money compared to the rest of the family and they live it up so those who blame veganism on the well-to-do western world... Anyway... She came home to visit and her mom threw a welcome home party disguised as her usual 4th of July party. We all did what we always do and brought potluck dishes. But something was just off. My auntie had just renovated their A-frame house, was showing it off and it was impressive if you like that kind of generic contract thing (I'm more of a run-down farm house gal). In a quaint air-conditioned nook off their deck was a whole table of muddy-colored, mushy vegan dishes. We placed our non-vegan dishes among them, including my mom's famous seven layer beans (with bacon) and my jam thumbprint cookies (butter, sugar and more sugar). I thought that was awkward and then, on the other side of the property, under the garage lean-to was the grill. The meat on the grill never made it to this table. If you wanted it, you went out there to get it. Well, the deck had been truncated in the renovation and now seated exactly five people, no more, no less. This included my cousin, her mother, her sister and her husband, and her best vegan friend. I may be exaggerating slightly, it might have been seven because I seem to remember her having a few vegan friends, not just one. We have a BIG family mind you, so this arrangement of us sitting under the garage lean-to with the grill and the hoity-toity hosts on the deck was a little aggravating. We all felt it and then it happened...
My cousin descended from on high to mingle with the commoners. This was a big feat, we understand, because the smell of meat makes her physically ill. But she came to see my grandfather (the last time she saw him before he passed away). After a few words with him, she decided to show her friend how the other half lives, I kid you not. She went to the grill and described how we meat-eaters live, like the girl had been a vegan all her life and had never seen an omnivore before. She made certain she was heard too, not some private information session. Grrrr... I had already grown tired of her preaching on facebook, her passion was borderline offensive and now this! You come home from halfway across the globe, invite us to your home (a 6hr round trip) and insult us???
A few days later I couldn't contain my anger any longer and wrote her, called her on it. Yeah, maybe not the smartest move but on the plus side, since she blocked me from facebook, I get a lot less of those sermons in my news feed (this was before facebook had all the glittery filters).
So yeah, I try to be civil when dealing with vegans because I don't like judging people but my experiences with them leave me very wary. I haven't known many, maybe three or four. But so far, they all fit the mold left by my cousin, including the author of this blog.
She had become vegan while in college and then got a job after graduate school, in Australia (no, her name is not Catherine). She was always a spoiled brat but the veganism just seemed to amplify this or maybe it was the other way around, not sure. Her mom, my auntie, makes a lot money compared to the rest of the family and they live it up so those who blame veganism on the well-to-do western world... Anyway... She came home to visit and her mom threw a welcome home party disguised as her usual 4th of July party. We all did what we always do and brought potluck dishes. But something was just off. My auntie had just renovated their A-frame house, was showing it off and it was impressive if you like that kind of generic contract thing (I'm more of a run-down farm house gal). In a quaint air-conditioned nook off their deck was a whole table of muddy-colored, mushy vegan dishes. We placed our non-vegan dishes among them, including my mom's famous seven layer beans (with bacon) and my jam thumbprint cookies (butter, sugar and more sugar). I thought that was awkward and then, on the other side of the property, under the garage lean-to was the grill. The meat on the grill never made it to this table. If you wanted it, you went out there to get it. Well, the deck had been truncated in the renovation and now seated exactly five people, no more, no less. This included my cousin, her mother, her sister and her husband, and her best vegan friend. I may be exaggerating slightly, it might have been seven because I seem to remember her having a few vegan friends, not just one. We have a BIG family mind you, so this arrangement of us sitting under the garage lean-to with the grill and the hoity-toity hosts on the deck was a little aggravating. We all felt it and then it happened...
My cousin descended from on high to mingle with the commoners. This was a big feat, we understand, because the smell of meat makes her physically ill. But she came to see my grandfather (the last time she saw him before he passed away). After a few words with him, she decided to show her friend how the other half lives, I kid you not. She went to the grill and described how we meat-eaters live, like the girl had been a vegan all her life and had never seen an omnivore before. She made certain she was heard too, not some private information session. Grrrr... I had already grown tired of her preaching on facebook, her passion was borderline offensive and now this! You come home from halfway across the globe, invite us to your home (a 6hr round trip) and insult us???
A few days later I couldn't contain my anger any longer and wrote her, called her on it. Yeah, maybe not the smartest move but on the plus side, since she blocked me from facebook, I get a lot less of those sermons in my news feed (this was before facebook had all the glittery filters).
So yeah, I try to be civil when dealing with vegans because I don't like judging people but my experiences with them leave me very wary. I haven't known many, maybe three or four. But so far, they all fit the mold left by my cousin, including the author of this blog.
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We vegetarian and Vegans are not all the same. There will always be extremists for every opinion rather it's vegetarian, raw, raw vegan, omnivore etc. Their views do not reflect the rest of the community. I for one have been a vegetarian my entire life. I've never had meat and have no intention of eating it. However, that does not mean I don't have it in my freezer. I try to feed my Wolf Dogs the most natural diet possible which means daily handling of meat for me. I've NEVER tried to convert someone to stop eating meat. Everyone has the right to choose what they eat without being pestered by other people.
There you go. Kevin is vegan but keeps pets. So vegans do not necessarily have to take the business to extremes. Catherine, despite having pets herself, would probably wag her finger at Kevin and adjust her hemp corset if she knew he 'used' animals.
People with low self esteem can easily adopt a creed of some sort and take it to extremes. It might be diet, politics, religion, racism or almost anything you care to name. They gain a sense of self worth because they can set themselves above others. Ladyrsanti's friend who demonstrated to others the wicked ways of grilled meat fans is an example, I suspect. The same people gain self image by learning about something of which most others are ignorant. It need only be obscure and need not be worthwhile in a practical sense.
People with low self esteem can easily adopt a creed of some sort and take it to extremes. It might be diet, politics, religion, racism or almost anything you care to name. They gain a sense of self worth because they can set themselves above others. Ladyrsanti's friend who demonstrated to others the wicked ways of grilled meat fans is an example, I suspect. The same people gain self image by learning about something of which most others are ignorant. It need only be obscure and need not be worthwhile in a practical sense.
Veganism is a new adaptation of an old world religion with no real foundations therefore it is unstable in all of it's ways. In other words it is an ideology with too many chiefs and not enough indians.
And as someone said this thread is very crazy.
And as someone said this thread is very crazy.
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We vegetarian and Vegans are not all the same. There will always be extremists for every opinion rather it's vegetarian, raw, raw vegan, omnivore etc. Their views do not reflect the rest of the community. I for one have been a vegetarian my entire life. I've never had meat and have no intention of eating it. However, that does not mean I don't have it in my freezer. I try to feed my Wolf Dogs the most natural diet possible which means daily handling of meat for me. I've NEVER tried to convert someone to stop eating meat. Everyone has the right to choose what they eat without being pestered by other people.
Edited to add: I'm glad to hear you feed your pet responsibly. It was in the news a while ago that some vegans were feeding their carnivorous pets a vegan diet and worry about the health of those animals. My cousin did the responsible thing (I give her this much) and gave her cat away.
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I guess a vegan cannot own a reptile then.
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