Really an Ameraucana? or an EE?

Discussion in 'What Breed Or Gender is This?' started by Catalina, Oct 5, 2007.

  1. Catalina

    Catalina Chillin' With My Peeps

    Jul 19, 2007
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    Lavander was sold to me as an Ameraucana bantam.
    She's 9 weeks old now. She has green legs.
    Do you think she's an ameraucana or an EE?

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  2. Windy Ridge

    Windy Ridge Chillin' With My Peeps

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    Ameraucanas have slate legs; green legs are usually the sign of an EE. Unless you purchased specifically from a breeder, you can be pretty sure you got an EE.

    Sometimes I think we should all start a revolution and demand the hatcheries actually label their birds as what they are. :mad: There's nothing wrong with EEs at all; they're often beautiful, friendly birds. Very good layers, sometimes, too. But calling them something they're not (and then putting a little disclaimer somewhere in the fine print) is just trying to trick people. Really. I don't care how the hatcheries try to defend it.

    You have a very pretty bird. If you bought from a breeder, she's a bird that *probably* wouldn't be used to breed because of the color of her legs, but she'd still be an Ameraucana. If you bought from a hatchery or a feed store, she's an EE.

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  3. speckledhen

    speckledhen Intentional Solitude Premium Member

    Pretty sure she's an Easter Egger, but she's very pretty! I agree, Windy, that hatcheries should hold to the 'truth in advertising' rules, particularly in the EE/Ameraucana issue.
     
  4. blue90292

    blue90292 Chillin' With My Peeps

    Jan 30, 2007
    Rosharon, TX
    i don't get this....

    if a silkie has pink skin instead of black, it's still a silkie, just a very very pet quality silkie.

    if a wyondotte has a single comb, it's still a wyondotte, just pet quality, and sometimes prized if you are having a bad fertility problem.

    if a barred rock has a double barring in his feathers, he's still a barred rock, just pet quality.

    and there are many people out there breeding recognized birds to have a certain feather color, which is not recognized by the APA, but the bird is still called that breed of it's mom and dad.

    so

    why is it that an ameraucana with faults, (wrong color, wrong leg color, wrong egg color, etc etc.) considered an EE instead of a pet quality ameraucana??

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  5. Windy Ridge

    Windy Ridge Chillin' With My Peeps

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    An EE isn't an Ameraucana with faults... it's a "mutt" of uncertain ancestry that may (or may not) carry a gene that causes the hens to lay blue or green eggs.

    That's why I made the stipulation that if pretty Lavender was purchased from a breeder, she could be an Ameraucana and just have a fault... a large one, maybe... but she has all the right genes, otherwise. She may pass on the fault, possibly, which is why she probably wouldn't be used in a responsible breeder's program.

    However, with EEs, you just don't know what you'll get at all. Some have pea combs (pea combs and blue egg laying are often closely linked), but some have single combs; some lay blue eggs, but some combine that with the trait for brown egg laying and so lay green eggs. Some lay "pink" eggs, which look brown to me. [​IMG] They're beautiful birds, though.

    However, like a recent thread I saw on here about wanting to create a breed called "Hodoms," EEs don't breed true to type, and you just don't know what you'll get when you cross them.
     
  6. Yankeechick

    Yankeechick Out Of The Brooder

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    What about a supposedly Americauna rooster, but has yellow legs!
     
  7. Windy Ridge

    Windy Ridge Chillin' With My Peeps

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    One clue is that people who are selling EEs often misspell "Ameraucana." If Your rooster was sold to you as an "Americauna," you may have been taken.

    Not necessarily, though. Some people just can't spell. [​IMG]

    Again, I think you're in the same situation Catalina is in. If you purchased from a hatchery, you got an EE. Go back and read the fine print... the text will probably say something like "selected for egg-color" or "not for show"... or the name will be misspelled, or the birds will be sold as "Araucanas/Ameraucanas."

    Those are all EEs. If you breed them together, you don't know what you'll get.

    This isn't a problem, of course, unless you plan to breed them. If you order your birds from the hatcheries, anyway, it doesn't really matter. And you usually can't show EEs, either, but sometimes you can. Still, if you just want some very pretty girls in a variety of colors that all lay different colors of eggs, I think it would be quite exciting. I've half considered it myself. I bet all the different colors look lovely in a carton.

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  8. speckledhen

    speckledhen Intentional Solitude Premium Member

    Jody can answer this more in depth if she comes along since she raises all three breeds and she can correct me if I misstep here. Slate is the only proper color for an Ameraucana's legs. That said, naturally there are true Ameraucanas who are breeder culls, who for some reason do not quite meet the standard on some level, even though they are the true breed. Your bird does not look like one of the colors in the Ameraucana Standard; that plus the off color legs could mean that she is an Easter Egger. Her eyes appear to be the proper reddish bay color, though.
    Here is some information on breed standards and below a pic of one of the ones I hatched showing the leg color:

    AMERAUCANA LARGE FOWL

    Ameraucana large fowl are in the APA “All Other Standard Breeds” (AOSB) class of chickens. They were admitted to the Standard in 1984. Ameraucana is a general purpose fowl and has a distinctive blue eggshell coloration. Disqualifications include presence of ear tuffs and absence of beard & muffs.

    STANDARD WEIGHTS for LARGE FOWL

    Cock………………6½ lbs. Hen……………….5½ lbs.

    Cockerel………….5½ lbs. Pullet……………..4½ lbs.



    AMERAUCANA VARIETIES (Large Fowl & Bantam)


    Black, Blue, Blue Wheaten, Brown Red, Buff, Silver, Wheaten & White

    AMERAUCANA SHAPE (Large Fowl & Bantam Males)

    COMB: Pea.

    BEAK: Curved.

    FACE: Nearly hidden by muffs.

    EYES: Expressive.

    WATTLES: Small, preferably absent.

    EARLOBES: Small.

    MUFFS AND BEARD: Full, well-rounded, medium length.

    HEAD: Medium size.

    NECK: Well-arched.

    HACKLE: Full.

    BACK: Medium length.

    SADDLE: Medium in length.

    TAIL: Well spread, medium length, carried at 45º above horizontal.

    WINGS: Fairly large, tips carried above the hock joint.

    BREAST: Prominent.

    BODY AND STEARN: Body of medium length, stern well-tucked up.

    LEGS AND TOES: Medium length set apart, four toes


    AMERAUCANA SHAPE (Large Fowl & Bantam Females)

    COMB: Pea.

    BEAK: Curved.

    FACE: Nearly hidden by muffs.

    EYES: Expressive.

    WATTLES: Small, preferably absent.

    EARLOBES: Small.

    MUFFS AND BEARD: Full, well-rounded, medium length.

    HEAD: Medium size.

    NECK: Medium length.

    HACKLE: Full.

    BACK: Medium length.

    CUSHION: Moderate.

    TAIL: Medium length, well spread, carried at 40º angle above horizontal.

    WINGS: Fairly prominent, carried above the hock joint.

    BREAST: Full.

    BODY AND STEARN: Full but trim, fluff well-tucked up.

    LEGS AND TOES: Medium length, four toes.

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  9. Windy Ridge

    Windy Ridge Chillin' With My Peeps

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    Thanks for that Cynthia! I don't show (and haven't even bred, yet!) so I sometimes forget how very complicated "type" is.

    I know, too, that there are specific standards or ideals for each color variety... lots of ways for a bird to get disqualified from a show standpoint. [​IMG]

    Edited to add: Wow! Pretty, pretty blue!
     
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  10. speckledhen

    speckledhen Intentional Solitude Premium Member

    You're welcome. And that blue boy is Scout's brother who was purchased by a lady in Alabama along with his other blue brother. He had a huge head, beard, muffs and was a beauty. I almost wish I had kept him and then I could have had splash chicks when bred with my blue pullets. That's okay, the blacks and the blues are just fine.
     

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