Red Laced Cornish X and project talk (pics p. 8)

[big medicine]

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If you introduced the new blood on the female side, you could more easily limit the impact.

So Dark hen's over a white rooster ?? that what I was thinking and that's my best pairing as of now.

Well, not sure how you go about it, and I've heard some rumors that concern me, around here it would be dark hens under a white rooster. You could just add a dark hen or two to your best white breeding pen. All F1's will be dark, unless the dark hens are already split for recessive white.

 

[SteveH]

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So Dark hen's over a white rooster ?? that what I was thinking and that's my best pairing as of now.

Well, not sure how you go about it, and I've heard some rumors that concern me, around here it would be dark hens under a white rooster. You could just add a dark hen or two to your best white breeding pen. All F1's will be dark, unless the dark hens are already split for recessive white.

Poor Al, seems like there's always someone ready to pounce on you.
Big Medicine, how would useing the WC roo over darks benefit over the other way around [no matter what position they take

]? Are you just meaning the WCs production would remain the same because all the girls are still producing whites?

 

[Tracydr]

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Because it's recessive white, though supposedly mixed with silver in some, yes, crossing to quality DCs is a great option that has been mentioned earlier, and getting a percentage of the second generation back to white is a given. The use of recessive White Aseel is to get 100% white in the first generation and at the same time put some leg under them. Because all the true representaives are so uncommon of the mentioned breeds or varieties, you have to be dedicated to the point of obscession to keep at the breeding of them.

Yes, I understand that part. It's going to be very hard to keep the desirable traits while adding leg from the other colors and especially from the Asel. The white color, itself should be the easy part. Keeping the bulk and type from the white, while infusing leg and new genes from the colored Cornish and Asel will be the hard part.

 

[al6517]

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So Dark hen's over a white rooster ?? that what I was thinking and that's my best pairing as of now.

Well, not sure how you go about it, and I've heard some rumors that concern me, around here it would be dark hens under a white rooster. You could just add a dark hen or two to your best white breeding pen. All F1's will be dark, unless the dark hens are already split for recessive white.

You know what I meant LOL, sheesh Steve I am getting hammered today LOL. Ok I will stay quite.

 

[WhiteMountainsRanch]

 

[SteveH]

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This is a DC I purchased, pictured at just under 6 months. He was too light framed and headed for a show breeder to use, his shanks especially show the lack of frame, but the breeder he came from had keepers with as heavy of frames as many of the whites I've seen pictured. IMO, he had plenty of bulk and type, and remember you're looking at at a DC breeder's cull.

Second pic at around 10 months, after wintering hard, but putting on weight again with more shank developement. [He would always have been too henny built for a show breeder to use.]

 

[Minniechickmama]

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Have you considered keeping him for a season to produce some big hens which should be good layers (Black Giant and Welsummer ) for your project?

Joe

I have considered it, but he is such a jerk, I don't even want to deal with him through this teenage phase. I don't want to breed that temperament into any of my birds. I had some jerks last year, but not any that did the damage he has done.

So here is the jerk I was referring to:

Then here is one that I believe is from my hatchery DC roo and a Black Giant hen:
His back side

This his him on the right of a RLWC pullet that is at least 2 weeks older than he is, and she is not tiny. The other cockerel is from the same hatch and is likely part Giant as well, but I am thinking Welsummer, maybe on the other side. Then again, at the time I put these eggs in, I had 9 roos in with all my hens.

Edited to get the right picture in.

 

[big medicine]

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Well, not sure how you go about it, and I've heard some rumors that concern me, around here it would be dark hens under a white rooster. You could just add a dark hen or two to your best white breeding pen. All F1's will be dark, unless the dark hens are already split for recessive white.

Poor Al, seems like there's always someone ready to pounce on you.
Big Medicine, how would useing the WC roo over darks benefit over the other way around [no matter what position they take

]? Are you just meaning the WCs production would remain the same because all the girls are still producing whites?

Yeah, no difference genetically that I can think of. Just easier to introduce the new blood on a limited basis, without disrupting the white birds production, or needing to add breeding pens, by doing it this way.

 

[SteveH]

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Poor Al, seems like there's always someone ready to pounce on you.
Big Medicine, how would useing the WC roo over darks benefit over the other way around [no matter what position they take

]? Are you just meaning the WCs production would remain the same because all the girls are still producing whites?

Yeah, no difference genetically that I can think of. Just easier to introduce the new blood on a limited basis, without disrupting the white birds production, or needing to add breeding pens, by doing it this way.

 

[SteveH]

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I have considered it, but he is such a jerk, I don't even want to deal with him through this teenage phase. I don't want to breed that temperament into any of my birds. I had some jerks last year, but not any that did the damage he has done.

So here is the jerk I was referring to:
https://www.backyardchickens.com/forum/uploads/40608_xb_cockerel.jpg

Then here is one that I believe is from my hatchery DC roo and a Black Giant hen:
His back side
https://www.backyardchickens.com/forum/uploads/40608_xb_cockerel_2.jpg
This his him on the right of a RLWC pullet that is at least 2 weeks older than he is, and she is not tiny. The other cockerel is from the same hatch and is likely part Giant as well, but I am thinking Welsummer, maybe on the other side. Then again, at the time I put these eggs in, I had 9 roos in with all my hens.
https://www.backyardchickens.com/forum/uploads/40608_xb_2nd.jpg

Edited to get the right picture in.

Ya got some big handsome boys there.