Red Laced Cornish X and project talk (pics p. 8)

[HaikuHeritageFarm]

Steve, was there any noticeable difference in the meat to bone ration on the WLR Cornish vs the EE? I would hope they would at least have larger breasts, even if, all together both weighed about the same!

I have the opportunity to get a couple of 8-ish week old WLR Cornish hens that came from Welp (I guess Privett stock, since they drop shipped their birds to us,) and I'm thinking about it.

 

[SteveH]

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I would say yes , but very slightly so and only due to slightly more breast meat . Bear in mind that I culled them off prematurely even for the EE ; the WLRC were about equal in size but not as close to their potential development as the EE were at the time . Now the EE pullet's fluffy feathered breasts even look more narrow than the WLRC pullet's at nearly 6 months of age ; and feeling through the feathers prooves the difference to be even greater than it looks [ and I think the Cornish are not done putting on breast meat yet ] . So its up to you to check the quality of the 8 week olds and factor in the slow growth habits of straight Cornish to figure their value to your project . If memory serves , Welp actually pictures their own , or at least hatchery quality , WLRC on their website ; I don't think Privett offers website shopping if they came from there .
ETA: I was wrong , Privett does now have online shopping and , as Welps , picture their own birds in the add . You might want to look at them before deciding whether to purchase or not

 

[HaikuHeritageFarm]

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Thank you Katy . The pattern is one of my favorites and they're a real decent dual purpose breed . Sadly they will throw black off the white Am. roo [ if he's recessive white as I believe he is ] but if I keep a colored pen the pattern and red base will reappear eventually . My plan is to keep a line of white only and another of all other colors with only performance deciding who stays . However its difficult not to be swayed by the paint job and tempting to intentionally breed for it ; especially with the spangled Orloffs [ same color , different name ] , with some of the Cornish type plus muffs and beards already bred in , getting more available .

Steve, I just traded my Brahma girls out for the two little WLR Cornish pullets. I'm not SURE yet what I will do with them, but so far I'm thinking they will be bred to the Chantecler, as will the Orloffs, and perhaps try the offspring of those two pairings together. It is hard not to breed for the paint job! I've figured up the 1st generation of Buff Chantecler x Spangled Orloff should be rich pumpkin colored offspring with the mottling/spangling lying dormant. I can't figure out what exactly the RLW Cornish color actually is, so I have no idea what color those babies will turn out! I wish I had a Cornish roo to try over the Orloffs.

 

[SteveH]

can't figure out what exactly the RLW Cornish color actually is

It's white laced red

. It's not on the Kip Calc ; but you should come up with it on the calculator by crossing dom white on either blue or black laced red which I'm pretty sure is there somewhere , then cross the resulting whites together , and the white laced red pattern should emerge among those offspring . It should come as both complete and incomplete ; complete will breed true . I hope the WLRCs work out well for you .
ETA : Up 'till now , all of my pullets have been irregular layers and I don't think the WLRC have even started . But one EE fired up Thurs and followed with an egg both days after , very pleased with her

CX , EE , and store bought Large white

 

[SteveH]

Haiku , I ran the cross of dominate white on blue laced red ; crossing the top pair of white offspring causes my computer to run too slow , the lower pair gets the desired white patterned red laced but its a very low percentage . The Kip. Calc. differentiates between red mottled/spangled and red mille fleur , but I'm not smart enough to know the visual difference with certainty . I think the consistant pattern of a black and white feather tip on red or gold base is mille fleur . [ I really need to study the genetic formula for mille fleur to learn what the exact effect is ; so much to learn and so few undamaged brain cells left from my mis-spent youth

] Either pattern crossed on white laced red complete results in white laced red incomplete .

 

[HaikuHeritageFarm]

Chris09 (I think is the handle) explained it very well to me on the thread called "The Cream Gene" in the Breeding and Genetics forum. I guess Mille Fleur is a buff columbian based tri-color pattern, the game bird version of this (including Orloffs) is the red-based without the Columbian influence, if I understood it correctly, and with the mottling modifier added.

I'm trying to figure out what that means, still. I want Porcelain birds, and Lemon Mille Fleur. I think I have to use my buff roo on the Orloffs and then breed those offspring back to the Orloffs to get the buff-based tri-color (which will still have mottling) and then I can use those the same way I would a standard Mille Fleur. I'm starting to realize my ideal would be a whole flock of different tri-color birds.

I'm pretty impressed with the Orloffs, so far. At 3.5 months old they are considerably larger than the standard cornish that had the same hatch date, and aren't all that bad on the heft factor, either. Plus, I LOVE their giant fluffy beards and color. They blend in so well with our landscape here, they almost look like wild Ptarmigan. I'm excited to see how they lay, and work with them more in fun crosses until I get a roo to go with them for some purebreds.

I also have a friend that offered me a red barred EE roo that I am considering. I'm wondering if his BR background might help with growth rates, but I need another roo like I need a hole in my head.

 

[SteveH]

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Thank you Rachel . Chris is tops at the genetics knowledge isn't he ? I had discovered mille fleur is mo+mo+ and that the related mottled or spangled were not pure for that ; but also knew that mille fleur roos were not to supposed to have black , or black with mottling , breasts as some hatchery Speckled Sussex have . His explanation that true mille fleur has to based on wheaten was very helpful .

 

[wooden-animal]

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Hay Rustyswoman.
Glad to here from you, Yes some of the birds i got from you are in the pictures. I just don't know
witch ones because I didn't band them. I have another 25 chicks that are about 8 -10 weeks old
have to wait and see what I get. I am not goin to start culling or moving birds until they start to lay.

And know I sold all the Quail I had. With getting my hatchery started and off the ground I just don't have
time to get that market going and they where costing alot to keep them all going. I will get back into
raising the Blue Scale In a year or two. They are my first chioce on the Quail. Thank you John

Oh John... they were so beautiful! That's ok, you can get more. Really, I have some chicks and or hens for you. I just need to see what you want. You were more than kind fixing my Humidaire and I appreciate it.

I need to figure out who is laying what and then come visit.

Next year I want some of your Turkeys. The Black Spanish (?) (the guy that loves you and lets you pet him) they are the ones I want. Just got to talk the hubby into them. He thinks they are mean. I am sure he has to be wrong. That boy was a lover!

Hay there lady.

Is the incubator working ok for you. You said you had a question on it. Call me if you need to. And yes i still need some more hens.
I have about 25 and need to get at least 15 more before hatching season starts in Feb. I have five laying right now and they are some great dark eggs, I have one birchen laying but its like a normal brown egg. Don't know what is going on with that one. The turkeys are great. I have
over 100 running around and they are all my buddys. I don't think I have ever had a mean turkey yet. They might fight with each other but
have never tryed anything with me. I am taking on of each breed to the bird show next week and a pair of my BCM. and some Dark conish.
Hope to see you there. John

 

[KatyTheChickenLady]

what show next week????

 

[Germaine_11.20]

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Oh John... they were so beautiful! That's ok, you can get more. Really, I have some chicks and or hens for you. I just need to see what you want. You were more than kind fixing my Humidaire and I appreciate it.

I need to figure out who is laying what and then come visit.

Next year I want some of your Turkeys. The Black Spanish (?) (the guy that loves you and lets you pet him) they are the ones I want. Just got to talk the hubby into them. He thinks they are mean. I am sure he has to be wrong. That boy was a lover!

Hay there lady.

Is the incubator working ok for you. You said you had a question on it. Call me if you need to. And yes i still need some more hens.
I have about 25 and need to get at least 15 more before hatching season starts in Feb. I have five laying right now and they are some great dark eggs, I have one birchen laying but its like a normal brown egg. Don't know what is going on with that one. The turkeys are great. I have
over 100 running around and they are all my buddys. I don't think I have ever had a mean turkey yet. They might fight with each other but
have never tryed anything with me. I am taking on of each breed to the bird show next week and a pair of my BCM. and some Dark conish.
Hope to see you there. John

Ah John,

You're going to a show? What show and where? You can't leave Katy and me behind!!!!!!!! If I can make it I would love to go and then we can all talk birds -- Meaties and Marans ect...

I can't tell you how the incubator works cause I still haven't played with it enough to know. It sits down their taunting me... I have just been busy and haven't tried much. I don't want to goof it up after all the work you put into it and if it can be screwed up, believe me-- I will do it. I am not mechanical or technical. So I have just waited.

I had big time issues with fox and coyote this year and I don't have alot of Marans left. I think I have 12 total. At least good ones. I have been hatching a ton of them out though. I am not sure if they will be ready to lay by Spring. They will most likely be a month or 2 short of laying. However the ones I have will be laying and I can help you out there will eggs!

We need to talk and see how brown is brown enough for you. I know you only want high quality for your Hatchery so I will have to pick and choose and figure out who is laying what. I am getting it narrowed down.

I have a new coop going up next week so I should have more room to seperate everyone out a find out before spring who is laying the best eggs with the best type.

Gotta run, todays my Dad's b-day and I am in charge of the main course.