Red Laced Cornish X and project talk (pics p. 8)

[Totalcolour]

Ok, I was checking out some different breeds, just out of curiosity. On Greenfirefarms website they are now breeding the Pavlovskaya Chicken, and they say this about it:-

"At one time in the early 1990s the total global population of authentic pavlovskaya was reduced to two roosters, and one was infertile. By breeding the fertile rooster with somewhat similar hens, and then back-breeding to the father, the breed was reestablished."

How can the breed be re-established? Maybe they are similar, but if you only have one fertile bird, the gene pool will be too small to sustain, and they simply are NOT the same bird as the original. Especially sinece they say they were breeding them to "somewhat similar" hens.

Or maybe I just don't get it.

 

[SteveH]

Ok, I was checking out some different breeds, just out of curiosity. On Greenfirefarms website they are now breeding the Pavlovskaya Chicken, and they say this about it:-

"At one time in the early 1990s the total global population of authentic pavlovskaya was reduced to two roosters, and one was infertile. By breeding the fertile rooster with somewhat similar hens, and then back-breeding to the father, the breed was reestablished."

How can the breed be re-established? Maybe they are similar, but if you only have one fertile bird, the gene pool will be too small to sustain, and they simply are NOT the same bird as the original. Especially sinece they say they were breeding them to "somewhat similar" hens.

Or maybe I just don't get it.

I suppose you're right, the breed was extinct once it was down to a male. On the other hand many breeds of domestic animals have been lost or nearly lost and then recreated, and many more have had new breeds introduced to improove the breed or add a new color.

 

[Totalcolour]

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Well, maybe I'm being a bit of a stickler, but once you start introducing new breeds to "Improve" the breed or introduce "New Colour", you really are in fact changing it from the original.

I do understand that a "sport" or "Throwback" can be used, but I simply don't like the idea of "similar" breed added and then calling it a purebred animal or fowl.

Breeding Horses too long - in Thoroughbreds you can't even use AI!

 

[galanie]

Almost all these breeds we have now came from mixing other breeds together in the first place. It's not really the same as horses unless you want to get muddled up in color "breeds" like Paint and Palomino. Forty or more years ago you could have a palomino Quarter horse as it was just another horse color like Bay, now you don't. You have a Palomino. But I digress.

If you have only one fertile animal of a breed and use another breed to "bring it back" then at least you do have the original breeds genes in there and anyway, with chickens, if it looks like a duck and quacks like a duck, then it's a duck. Or I should say, it's that breed of chicken. Because it's quite likely that the breed originated with someone mixing breeds in the first place.

Or you could just throw up your hands and say "oh well, all gone" and walk away.

Anyhow that's my take on it.

 

[draye]

Almost all these breeds we have now came from mixing other breeds together in the first place. It's not really the same as horses unless you want to get muddled up in color "breeds" like Paint and Palomino. Forty or more years ago you could have a palomino Quarter horse as it was just another horse color like Bay, now you don't. You have a Palomino.

But I digress.
If you have only one fertile animal of a breed and use another breed to "bring it back" then at least you do have the original breeds genes in there and anyway, with chickens, if it looks like a duck and quacks like a duck, then it's a duck. Or I should say, it's that breed of chicken. Because it's quite likely that the breed originated with someone mixing breeds in the first place.
Or you could just throw up your hands and say "oh well, all gone" and walk away.
Anyhow that's my take on it.

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[al6517]

Finally get back to trying to post here, with the forum change I am not on much, the new format runs too slow and I am not going to change my browser to accomidate 1 forum. How has everybody been doing lately ??. How are your birds coming along ??.

AL

 

[SteveH]

Finally get back to trying to post here, with the forum change I am not on much, the new format runs too slow and I am not going to change my browser to accomidate 1 forum. How has everybody been doing lately ??. How are your birds coming along ??.

AL

The new format's working fine for me. Winter finally hit this area, but the birds don't seem to mind much. Still waiting for them to lay though.

My refridgertator shot craps, so I've converted it to an incubator. LOL. It held very steady temps on a test run, cycling between 99.3 and 99.7 as long as I don't open the door............ temps swing a little wider for a few hours after the door's been opened. I still need to put in a viewing window and I may add a split curtain inside to keep more heat in when I open the main door............................ but I added a switch to the circulation fan tonight so it doesn't dump quite as much air when I open it. It's heated by two halogen bulbs; a 72 watt in the bottom and 43 watt up in the freezer compartment, with a fan pushing the air from the freezer through a vent hose to the bottom, where the air is being drawn.back up through vents into the freezer box I have two meat thermometers permanetly mounted through the front doors and a digital indoor/outdoor thermometer that records the high and low as well as constantly showing the present temps in the incubating area. A Reptitemp 500, with an added "run indicater" light [an LED night light] that can be seen from a distance, serves as the thermostat.

ETA: I changed the bottom bulb to 43 watt last night, and it holds temps just as tight or tgihter.

 

[galanie]

Not a lot of folks posting so here's my Black Orp X hatchery Dark Cornish. 14 weeks and 4 1/2 pounds. Total cornish personality. He acts nothing like my Orps except for being nice to people (so far!). So I'm thinking this cross would sorta work for meat but really why bother. Oh, and the bottom of his feet are yellow. Looks really funny with the tops looking totally slate.

 

[big medicine]

Hello folks.. time for some pictures, again... Think the second LF Cornish pullet has begun laying, think I'm getting 2 different sized eggs, and I think it's been 4 days since a day off. Now if I could just get a stupid Silkie to start laying-- and go broody..??

btw, the two BLR cockerals are crowing, so the only male on the place that I have not heard a crow from yet is the Dark Cornish- although his eggs had bullseyes!

Pictures of the three breeding cockerals:

Have not posted in a while, not digging the new and improved BYC one bit. When you type as slow as I do and still have to wait for it to appear on the page, that is slow.

The second cockerel, judging by the photos, should be referred to as gold instead of red. Does not appear to be carrying mahogany. Would like to see him in person in the sunlight to be sure, but appears not to be blue. Do not normally see that green sheen on on these guys if they are packing blue.

The third cockerel is a better red, and is blue. Now to his pattern, with the predominately solid blue chest, he looks to be a tweener, not single laced,
probably closer to double laced. The difference between these two patterns is the presence or abcense of columbian. This guy could be split How is the chest lacing on the gold laced ? Either way I don't believe I would call either of these guys blue laced reds as that ussually refers to a single laced blue laced red feather, BLR project, work in progress, sure.

 

[kfacres]

hey big med... nice to see you.. i can't say i like the new format either-- so what do you think of these birds from your project? thoughts on what to mate them to in the future to better make some BLR birds? I'm thinking mating these back to their daughters- would be a good place to start- not sure which daughters though...

first 2 dozen in the 'bator...

they are some firey devils...