Red Slate???

Discussion in 'Turkeys' started by WVstruttin, Feb 12, 2012.

  1. WVstruttin

    WVstruttin Chillin' With My Peeps

    Feb 9, 2012
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    What will crossing a bourben red tom with blue slate hens give me?
     
  2. WVstruttin

    WVstruttin Chillin' With My Peeps

    Feb 9, 2012
    WV
    Surely someone can give me some ideas on this.
     
  3. arherp

    arherp Chillin' With My Peeps

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    No. It will not. The BR has the white/pied factor in it, so you would probably end up with a bronze bird with white on it.
     
  4. arherp

    arherp Chillin' With My Peeps

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    Also, Red Slates do not have any red genes. The birds have that color because they only have one copy of Bronze. It is like half Bronze. For example:

    You have a bucket that holds two cups of paint. Each cup represents a gene.
    The bucket has to be full at all times.
    A Bronze turkey has two cups of brown paint in its bucket. So, two brown (Bronze) genes.
    In the Red slate, there is only one cup of brown paint. (One brown gene).
    Since the bucket has to always have two cups of paint in it at all times, and there is only one cup of brown paint, there is a cup of white paint that gets put in. (This doesn't represent a white gene, just a medium that dilutes the brown paint. You could also say water.)
    When the brown and white paint mix, you get this copper-y red color.
    This is what makes the red show up in the Red Slate. It has slate genes, and only one bronze gene. So the filler gene, that gets mixed in with the Bronze, makes it look reddish and slate.

    Bourbon reds use actual red paint. And they have two cups of it. This looks like "rr". But red paint is real watery and weak, so for the turkey to look red at all, it has to have two cups. If it has only one cup of red, like if you cross it with a slate bird, the bird would come out looking like a slate. It would be "Dr". The slate gene (D) is capitalized because it is a dominant, thick kind of paint.
     
  5. Porterturkeys

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    Rusty blacks and rusty slates.
    Now I suppose you'll want pics of those [​IMG]
    I'll find some for you and post them as soon as I can dig some out.

    Kevin
     
  6. Porterturkeys

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    There's no actual white or pied factor in a bourbon red.

    Kevin
     
  7. Porterturkeys

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    Correct that they do not have red genes, but they actually have two cups of bronze and one cup of slate [​IMG]
     
    Last edited: Feb 16, 2012
  8. Porterturkeys

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    Ok here's the pics I promised you.
    This first one below is a rusty black, genotype Bb Rr , one dose of black and bronze and one dose of red.

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    This next one above is a rusty slate Bb Dd Rr , One dose of black and bronze and one dose of slate and red.


    Kevin
     
  9. WVstruttin

    WVstruttin Chillin' With My Peeps

    Feb 9, 2012
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    Thank you Kevin, I was hoping you would chime in. Also, I have two sets of blue slates, one set is blue to gray with white wing tips, no black on them at all, the second set are blue with black spots, kinda look mottled. Is the first set what they call self blues?
     
  10. WVstruttin

    WVstruttin Chillin' With My Peeps

    Feb 9, 2012
    WV
    Krvin, could look at this and give me an answer please. Thank you.
     

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