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[goodolsurvival1]

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all that makes sense.. i also didnt know that temp was a gene that could get passed, so will put that on the list of things to weed out when deciding what is allowed to breed.

are the quail chicks like chicken chicks where if you handle them it helps them to be i guess you could say more docile = alright with being handled?

and by neutral ground do you mean something like say a pen made of out pvc and wire and having them in with each other in there first before being in their actual main pen?or those that came from the main pen originally still have territory issues when all are put back? as it popped into my head to have these stand alone cages like this for when new hatchlings are ready to be added this way they can be around the old flock without physically being in with them so they get their meet and greet (its wat we did with a dog taxi when we introduced our silky to our older silky dog)...

also how long do jumbo coturnix eggs last? as i know sometimes you have to allow them a cooling process (which i dont fully understand yet but am searching around to read more on it)?

 

[Sill]

all that makes sense.. i also didnt know that temp was a gene that could get passed, so will put that on the list of things to weed out when deciding what is allowed to breed.

are the quail chicks like chicken chicks where if you handle them it helps them to be i guess you could say more docile = alright with being handled?

and by neutral ground do you mean something like say a pen made of out pvc and wire and having them in with each other in there first before being in their actual main pen?or those that came from the main pen originally still have territory issues when all are put back? as it popped into my head to have these stand alone cages like this for when new hatchlings are ready to be added this way they can be around the old flock without physically being in with them so they get their meet and greet (its wat we did with a dog taxi when we introduced our silky to our older silky dog)...

also how long do jumbo coturnix eggs last? as i know sometimes you have to allow them a cooling process (which i dont fully understand yet but am searching around to read more on it)?

By neutral ground I mean a cage or aviary that is new to both groups so no one feels they have to defend their home turf against invaders. It will be new to everyone so they can begin to co-exist more peacefully. Of course that is after they have been able to see each other for a couple of weeks through wire in a different location. Understand? Never dump quail strange to each other together without having been able to visually accept proximity beforehand. Once they have been visually introduced, then put in neutral territory. Once they are used to each other you can put them back into a former enclosure, maybe after another week or so. The former enclosure will now be "new" to everyone. It can help to re-arrange the furnishings in the enclosure. Put in different feeders, move them to a different area, new greenery, hiding places etc. But really, if you did the introductions correctly there shouldn't be a problem putting everyone back into a former enclosure. So the progression is this: put them in cages next to each other to get used to seeing each other for a couple of weeks, then everyone into neutral territory for a week or more. They can stay permanently in the neutral enclosure now turned home, or put back into a former enclosure after they are acting like a covey and the original birds have forgotten that it was their former home and the others may have been intruders.

I've found viability drops after a week, and the longer after a week the more it drops. Longer than ten days it's dismal. You will get fewer eggs that develop. My experience is fresher eggs hatch better.

 

[goodolsurvival1]

By neutral ground I mean a cage or aviary that is new to both groups so no one feels they have to defend their home turf against invaders. It will be new to everyone so they can begin to co-exist more peacefully. Of course that is after they have been able to see each other for a couple of weeks through wire in a different location. Understand? Never dump quail strange to each other together without having been able to visually accept proximity beforehand. Once they have been visually introduced, then put in neutral territory. Once they are used to each other you can put them back into a former enclosure, maybe after another week or so. The former enclosure will now be "new" to everyone. It can help to re-arrange the furnishings in the enclosure. Put in different feeders, move them to a different area, new greenery, hiding places etc. But really, if you did the introductions correctly there shouldn't be a problem putting everyone back into a former enclosure. So the progression is this: put them in cages next to each other to get used to seeing each other for a couple of weeks, then everyone into neutral territory for a week or more. They can stay permanently in the neutral enclosure now turned home, or put back into a former enclosure after they are acting like a covey and the original birds have forgotten that it was their former home and the others may have been intruders.

I've found viability drops after a week, and the longer after a week the more it drops. Longer than ten days it's dismal. You will get fewer eggs that develop. My experience is fresher eggs hatch better.

ya that makes sense thank you.

my plan was when eggs are pulled fill incubator and what is left eat or sell to friends/family that may want them. or if we arent ready for new hatchlings just process all the eggs for eating by pickling or using like you would chicken eggs.. now when they are going to be used for eating do they last about as long as chicken eggs do in the fridge or shorter or longer? if we pickle them we will do the process like we do homemade pickled beets and or pickled eggs (chicken eggs we get from a friend) so that way i have an idea of their shelf life, its just the fridge shelf life i havent been able to find info on.

 

[kywest]

With regard to the turkeys:
The turkeys would be subject to whatever regulations livestock fall under in your city/township.
The midget whites seem to be egg laying machines, in season. Turkeys are seasonal layers, and mine seem to start some time in late April and continue thru September. I do not know how supplemental light would affect their laying period. Also, both my hens go broody, so you must keep removing eggs to get more eggs! Once I let them hatch poults, the laying stops.
My hens are about 8-10 lbs, the tom around 18. I have an 8x16 coop, divided in two for poult raising, and a 8x16 run and a 12x16 run. I keep 5-8 chickens and three turkeys. The smaller side of the coop is also used to grow the poults to slaughter age - about 6-8months. Many suggest growing heritage birds longer, but this schedule fits with my needs, and I find that 6-12 lb (freezer weight) birds are perfect for us. This way I also avoid the periods of loud gobbling from the young toms!
I have found that they are loudest when the toms are in a group. My single bird will respond to loud noises (i.e., lawnmower) but there isn't constant day and night noise like you will get from a rooster. I don't find my trio of birds much louder than the chickens. There is about a month where the toms are mature enough to gobble a lot but before i'm ready to process, but fortunately, by oct/nov most people have theie windows closed and its not that bothersome.
I feed flock raiser for the extra protein, and I do have to invest in game bird for the young poults (another reason to keep them separated from the hens/tom - they don't need that expensive food!)
They are a bit more of an up-front investment than the chickens, so you could always start with some hen, then decide how it works out for you!

 

[DoubletakeFarm]

kywest: In regards to the bobwhites, did someone actually come out and "inspect your facility"?

 

[kywest]

Yes, a wildlife officer came to inspect my "facility" (aka, my garage with an old rabbit hutch that houses my two birds!) It was pretty informal, but it would have been better if I had a receipt for the birds -- which I did not because I was given them by a preschool teacher who hatched them in her classroom;-) I had to get a special dispensation for acquiring them w/o a receipt.
BTW, if you have neighbors, don't think for a moment they won't know you have bobwhites. My little guy is pretty vocal in the summer, and my neighbor noticed the new sounds right away! They are pretty noisy little things for their size.
Stephanie

 

[DoubletakeFarm]

That's weird, when I had mine nobody came out. I couldn't even get hold of anyone from ODNR to answer my questions. Anyone that knew the answers, I mean. It was more like "give us your money, here's your paperwork." I would have loved to have talked to someone in person.

 

[TwoCrows]

Some areas of the country are really strict about licensing and will not only show up once, but will come every year for inspections. Other areas just see it as a way to collect your cash. Best to be on the safe side in case you get reported. The Game and Wildlife people can give out stiff fines and penalties.