Respiratory infection after deworming, series of questions.

[dawg53]

Karo syrup works for some folks.

 

[GabrielBernard]

I started treating with liquid fenbendazole

This also kills parasites that will be in the lungs and airway.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gapeworm (Edit:added info to parasite most common, but others are also possible)

Sneezing, heavy breezing and especially wet crackling(like rice krispies in milk) noises point to parasites infecting the airways and lungs.

Often, strong birds will not show symptomes until being dewormed, because when the worms die, they will release toxic products by decomposing.
Then the body tries to get rid of the dead parasites by the only way they can.

For parasites in the digestive tract, that is diarhea.
For airway/lung parasites that will be sneezing, higher production of mucous, causing bubbles, crackling noises when breathing and clogged/bubbly/running nose holes.


Might be a higher chance than MG. If airway problems come up after deworming, the first thought for me is always parasites in there who got killed off by the dewormer.
If the tests show up nothing, most likely there were parasites who died off and cause this.

Keep calm, drink tea and offer the chickens some Good luck

 

[Harmoni]

This also kills parasites that will be in the lungs and airway.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gapeworm (Edit:added info to parasite most common, but others are also possible)

Sneezing, heavy breezing and especially wet crackling(like rice krispies in milk) noises point to parasites infecting the airways and lungs.

Often, strong birds will not show symptomes until being dewormed, because when the worms die, they will release toxic products by decomposing.
Then the body tries to get rid of the dead parasites by the only way they can.

For parasites in the digestive tract, that is diarhea.
For airway/lung parasites that will be sneezing, higher production of mucous, causing bubbles, crackling noises when breathing and clogged/bubbly/running nose holes.


Might be a higher chance than MG. If airway problems come up after deworming, the first thought for me is always parasites in there who got killed off by the dewormer.
If the tests show up nothing, most likely there were parasites who died off and cause this.

Keep calm, drink tea and offer the chickens some Good luck

I just retreated at day 10 with valbazen. Does that also kill respiratory related parasites? I'm going to finish out the denagard was a precautionary.

 

[Wyorp Rock]

I just retreated at day 10 with valbazen. Does that also kill respiratory related parasites? I'm going to finish out the denagard was a precautionary.

Didn't you already just deworm everyone with Safeguard?

 

[Harmoni]

Didn't you already just deworm everyone with Safeguard?

That was the first dose. We are 10 days post last day of the safeguard. I wanted to use the valbazen initially but couldn't get it until a week after I started seeing symptoms. I also didn't think the fenbendazole was safe for my juveniles since it can have negative effects on feather development.

 

[Wyorp Rock]

That was the first dose. We are 10 days post last day of the safeguard. I wanted to use the valbazen initially but couldn't get it until a week after I started seeing symptoms. I also didn't think the fenbendazole was safe for my juveniles since it can have negative effects on feather development.

I see. Yeah, hard to keep us with what all you've done since you had multiple threads and issues.
Ok. Valbazen it now is. Repeat in 10 days.


April 15th post....

We just finished 5 days of fenbendazole for a large load of round worms. I also have 3 chickens with mild bumble foot.

 

[GabrielBernard]

I just retreated at day 10 with valbazen. Does that also kill respiratory related parasites? I'm going to finish out the denagard was a precautionary.

Nope, not in birds.
Liver and digestive tract worms, some internal parasites that can infect eyes.

Pretty sure the breathing problems are because the lung parasites died off.
They are typical for chickens and other birds who prefer to forage on the ground(like trushes)

 

[Harmoni]

I see. Yeah, hard to keep us with what all you've done since you had multiple threads and issues.
Ok. Valbazen it now is. Repeat in 10 days.

@dawg53 said I could use the valbazen as the follow up dewormer.
Breakdown:
Fenbendazole at 1ml/adult bird on 4/10, 4/11, 4/12 and 4/14 (wasn't home 4/13). Wormed for more than 1 day because we were still seeing excreted worms on day 3.
4/15 crackling/snoring sounds and coughing from Goldie.
4/18 Chipmunk having rales and coughing. Rales were constant.
4/18-4/20 isolated chipmunk. Gave garlic, colloidal silver, scrambled eggs and used diffuser with essential oils.
4/19 Goldie having constant rales and coughing. Added to isolation. Same treatment as chipmunk.
4/20 released both birds from isolation.
4/21 Speckle having eye bubbles, Oreo sneezing.
4/22 started denegard at 10 ml/gallon for adults, 8ml/gallon for juveniles (not symptomatic) and 2ml/quart for 7 week olds (also not symptomatic).
4/23 most adult birds will not drink denagard water with honey, younger birds no issue.
4/24 valbazen at .5ml/adult bird, .3ml/11-15 weekers and .25ml/7 weekers.

Overall symptoms we have had beside the bumble foots:
Diarrhea
Visible worms
Reduction in eggs
Missing feathers below the vent
Coughing
Head shaking
Rales
Crackling
Eye bubbles

We have had 8 of the adult hens for over a year and never had any respiratory symptoms other than occasional sneezing.
We got rid of our rooster the end of February.
Added 2 new hens the middle of February. Those 2 birds aren't exhibiting any symptoms and laying everyday.
We hatched 6 eggs the beginning of February. 2 died early on. 2 died at 5 weeks. 2 are still alive.
We got 4 chicks from a npip farm at a week old to 4 weeks old.
3 chicks from rural king (one had a mystery illness that cleared up)
Got 3 more chicks on 4/1 at 4 weeks old.
None of the younger chickens have symptoms. They are separated, but only by chicken wire. If it is MG, we have either had it for over a year with no symptoms, it came from the 2 seemingly healthy hens, rural king, a npip farm or the 3 new ones. Narrowing it down now would be impossible.

 

[Wyorp Rock]

I would finish up the deworming and treat for respiratory symptoms.
If they won't drink the Denagard, then it is of no benefit.
Get some Tylosin that goes into the drinking water and treat all the symptomatic birds.
For those that have eye bubbles, flush the eyes twice a day and apply Terramycin in the eyes. Trim any feathers away from the eyes to so they don't stick to the eye and ointment.
See if this makes any difference.

Do make sure there's good ventilation in the coop/housing, that they have no lice/mites.

You are right. There's no way to know where a respiratory disease came from. NPIP generally means AI and Pullorum Free, not many test for MG or are even required to do so, it really depends on program of that particular state. There's plenty of birds that are carriers and never show symptoms, so there's always a chance the adult birds you got were carriers. Getting birds from multiple sources, there's always risk involved.
It would still be a best to keep a closed flock.

 

[Harmoni]

I am done currently with the bigger birds. I have to do the second deworming on the juvenile ones since I didn't treat them the first time with the fenbendazole.
No one had eye bubbles yesterday or this morning.
I added sugar to the denagard and some are drinking it. I can't find tylosin in stock without a prescription.
I'm also not hearing anymore coughing this morning.