roost diarrhea (with photos) - what to do?

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I have a molting Wyandotte who, for over a week, has had mostly diarrhea on the dropping board every night. It seems closer to normal during the day, though her droppings are generally wetter than normal. No blood whatsoever, or even intestinal lining. When it first started, the rains had started (it's very dry for 80% of the year here, and then we get almost all our rain in the winter months), so I thought maybe she was just drinking too much rainwater dripping off things, but then it persisted. Then I thought maybe it was because there was some layer pellets still in the feed bin mixed in with the chick crumble I had switched to bc of her molting, and maybe she was still eating them and drinking too much water bc it was too much calcium for her?? idk. There were other chicken issues going on, and my whole family was sick, and I kept hoping she would just resolve on her own.

Sometimes there are what seem to be solid droppings on top - which look like they could be from her, though it could be that they've moved around near morning and it's someone else's droppings. She tends to get poopy vent feathers, and they were bad for at least a month and still so the other week. I had been leery of handling her because she's molting (and even more skittish than normal), but I did finally catch her this evening and check her vent and it seemed clean (no poop, no discharge, no visible mites, though it was evening so the light wasn't great) and no longer any feather poop dreads. Her crop seemed normal for the evening, and I've closed the pop door so I can check her crop first thing in the morning.

I have bricks around the lower part of our fence, and saw small pebbles of brick in her poop, so I removed the brick that seemed crumbly and put out grit again, which was my other thought. When the ground is dry, they don't touch the grit (it was covered in dust for months; I'd stir them up, and they'd just sit there), so I repurposed the grit feeder a while back, but now that the soil is wet, I wondered if it's harder to find little stones, hence trying to eat the bricks. But it's been a few days that the grit is back out, and still diarrhea.

It's hard to tell if she's acting normal - because this is her first molt, but as far as I can tell, she's acting about the same as before the diarrhea started while she was still molting - quieter than usual, but still scratching and running for food, more skittish, not laying - and at first her comb was still red but now it's more pale, though I thought this was just because she molting and not laying. She was chest-bumping my cockerels through the fence the other week, though none of that a few days later - could've also been that she lost interest, and unrelated?

What else can I check? I've never wormed them - they're my first chickens, and they're now just over a year old - could it be worms?

here's a picture from the other week - last night's was much wetter - wetness with just a little solid covering at least an 8"x8" square under her spot on the roost. And an example of a morning dropping from out and about - I thought it was blood at first, but turned out to be brick :(
 

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Morning update - her crop was hard and full this morning, so unless she was filling up on wood shavings in the few minutes between dawn and when I got out there, it's looking like at least a piece of the problem is impacted crop. I've found azygous's article on crop issues and I have coconut oil on hand, so as soon as I get home from work at lunch, I will work on her crop and will try to give her at least a little before I go.

I have a very poor sense of smell, so I will have to recruit one of my kids to come smell her for yeasty smell later to see if it's also soured.

Any suggestions for crop massage on a molting hen? I'm assuming even holding her hurts, so I can only imagine how massage will feel with all those feathers coming in.
 
Evening update: I gave her about 2tsp of coconut oil - tried chunks first, but couldn't get coordinated to get her to swallow straight (I'm out of practice, and I hate holding her since she's molting), so I mixed the rest with some chick crumble mash (which she loves). She ate most of it over a period of time, I massaged her crop upwards and it seemed to empty very quickly - like less than a minute - does that mean it was a misdiagnosis? It seemed too fast to be the issue. Then I let her out with the other girls and she ate some plain mash (they got some without the coconut oil). I waited around for a while, but didn't see her poop. She then drank water for at least 5 minutes, as if she'd been deprived all day. I took the water away from her bc it seemed like just so much that she was drinking, but as soon as I closed up the run for the night, she was back at the waterer again drinking away, and I didn't want to take it away from them permanently.

@azygous - thank you for your great article on crop issues! Does that still sound like impacted crop?? What would cause the excessive water drinking? It's not hot at all - barely 50F during the day, and light frost every night. It seems like it helps explain the issue with the runny poops - there is some solid on the dropping board each night but it's surrounded by lots and lots of wet sand. But why would she be motivated to drink so much? I haven't had much luck doing a search - all that came up initially at least was hot weather.

I showed her where the grit was, in case she hadn't found it (unlikely, but just in case). I forgot to mention before that I've been finding lots of leaf stems in the more solid-ish parts of her roost poops. I haven't been giving them many treats lately at all, but there are lots of falling leaves off the surrounding plum trees, and she's clearly eating those. She doesn't seem to have lost her appetite completely, though I would say she is slightly less food-obsessed than she usually is.
 
Out of precaution, she should be wormed and treated for coccidiosis. You may safely do these at the same time.

The brick eating could be a source of the diarrhea, too. It has many toxic ingredients. It's especially alarming it's appearing in her poop, indicating toxicity. I suggest giving her two or three capsules of activated charcoal followed by all the water she will drink. You can get the activated charcoal any place they sell vitamins for people. Follow up with another couple of capsules two or three hours after the first dose with all the water she wants.

Do check her crop in the morning so you can rule that out.
 
One thing to check is to know exactly what plants you have in the yard. Check every species for toxicity.
Good point! We do have some wild allium flowers around the yard, as well as morning glory. I was pretty careful to dig down 1' and pull out all the bulbs I could find when we built the coop and at least 6" in their "free range" area, and then put 4" of wood chips on top of it all. I have only seen one shoot that they could get to come up in the last year, but it's possible she's dug up some bulbs - they dig pretty deep when foraging, or eaten a shoot I missed.

I have been battling the morning glory for years now, though I have never seen any come up in their area in the last year, and I check regularly. It's mostly in other areas of the yard atm (and I pull it and dig out the roots as far as I can whenever I see any tiny leaves). I've been more worried about my Australorp getting into our CA poppies all over the yard - she's the only one who keeps flying over the fence into the rest of the yard (thanks to a poorly situated rain barrel that works great as a chicken landing strip/runway, but is now very full and way too heavy to be moved), but she seems to be just fine.

I will try to spend more time outside tomorrow and look around to see any bulbs or shoots, but she'd have to be eating it pretty regularly over the last few weeks (and be the only one finding it), which seems less likely.
 
Out of precaution, she should be wormed and treated for coccidiosis. You may safely do these at the same time.

The brick eating could be a source of the diarrhea, too. It has many toxic ingredients. It's especially alarming it's appearing in her poop, indicating toxicity. I suggest giving her two or three capsules of activated charcoal followed by all the water she will drink. You can get the activated charcoal any place they sell vitamins for people. Follow up with another couple of capsules two or three hours after the first dose with all the water she wants.

Do check her crop in the morning so you can rule that out.
Thank you!

It did not occur to me that 1.bricks would be toxic (though of course it seems obvious now that you've pointed it out!) and 2. that she'd try to eat them! My guess is she was having trouble finding enough stones/grit with the sudden rain and resorted to chipping away at one brick that was soft/crumbly. I haven't seen any in her poop recently (and took that brick away over a week ago). I have activated charcoal on hand already, so I will dose her tomorrow with that.

I have the pop door closed again, so I will check her crop in the AM. I checked on them about 30 min ago when I went to open the nest box, and while the other two have a nice pile of solids under them on the roost, she just has a huge wet spot :(

I will also look up what worming and Corrid dosages to give and track those meds down tomorrow. That's helpful to hear that I can treat them all for both at the same time.

Would it be worth a try also giving her whey or yogurt? I have more whey on hand than I know what to do with, so it would be very easy to use that for mash or something. Or should I save that until after the worming & coccidiosis treatments?
 

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