Round Worm Treatment

[Folly's place]

Piperazine is fairly effective against roundworms only, and is not approved for use in chickens in the USA. Fenbendazole is approved and covers more worm types, including roundworms.
Take the piperazine back, and get fenbendazole instead.
Mary

 

[TCMatherne]

I went back to our local feed store where I purchased the WormEze and talked to the owner, who is known for his knowledge of chickens, rabbits, etc. He and his family do a lot with the 4-H members in town and I know he would be honest with me. He said that he recommends 1 ounce to 1 gallon for chickens. Just wanted to say thank you to everyone for y'all advice yesterday. I feel comfortable now using this ratio, knowing it came from him.

 

[casportpony]

Sorry for the delay. The chicken product Wazine says to use 30 ml per gallon.
One ml contains 170 mg piperazine base, so 30 ml 3100 mg piperazine base per gallon.

The product you have is only 22 mg piperazine base per ml, so one ounce (30 ml) = 660 mg piperazine base. If I understand this correctly you would need to use 4.7 ounces, not one ounce. I fear that if you give them just one ounce that will be undermedicating them.

Can someone double-check my math?

 

[pibb]

30 ml * 170 mg per ml = 5100 mg piperazine base per gallon of water (chicken dose). This should equal 1 fl oz of wazine 17 per gallon of water.

5100 / 22 mg per ml = 231.8 ml (7.8 fl oz) of medicine needed to equal 5100 mg/gal.
So basically you have to use that whole 8 oz bottle per gallon of water if that is the same product you have.

How much was that bottle of medicine?

 

[casportpony]

30 ml * 170 mg per ml = 5100 mg piperazine base per gallon of water (chicken dose). This should equal 1 fl oz of wazine 17 per gallon of water.

Oops, my bad. Thanks for pointing out my error.

 

[pibb]

Oops, my bad. Thanks for pointing out my error.

Simple error you had the rest of the math coming right so you were on the right track.

He said that he recommends 1 ounce to 1 gallon for chickens.

He seems like a person that doesn't mind taking advice so I would let him know if he wants to dose that product the same as wazine 17 (chickien dose) then he will have to recommend 7.8 fl oz of that product per gallon of water. What he is recommending now is underdosing.

 

[TCMatherne]

30 ml * 170 mg per ml = 5100 mg piperazine base per gallon of water (chicken dose). This should equal 1 fl oz of wazine 17 per gallon of water.

5100 / 22 mg per ml = 231.8 ml (7.8 fl oz) of medicine needed to equal 5100 mg/gal.
So basically you have to use that whole 8 oz bottle per gallon of water if that is the same product you have.

How much was that bottle of medicine?

$9.00

 

[TCMatherne]

So you are suggesting basically the entire bottle to a gallon? I will be stopping by the local feed store in the next week or so, and I will try to meet with him and let him read our conversations... Thank you again! So, I have another question.. I only saw 3 round worms in only one poop.... I clean their coop, under their roost every morning now, since I saw them that morning... but I haven't seen anymore since that day. Could it be a one time thing? Or should I still treat the flock?

 

[pibb]

Yes, basically the whole bottle, 7.8 fl oz of that medicine per gallon of water.

At $9 a bottle it isn't very cost effective. You can get a tube of safeguard (fenbendazole) horse paste for ~$10 at Tractor Supply so if you can, do as Follys Place suggested and try to return it for your money back.

If you're stuck with it, you only have 6 chickens so you could only make 1/2 gallon at at time. So you would make 1/2 gallon of water/medicine for one days time, then repeat in 10-14 days. That way you will have enough medicine.

 

[Miss Kristy]

Sorry to reanimate an old thread, but I'm having the same issue with one of my hens. She has roundworms and is losing weight, so I grabbed WormEze too, since it was easy to get on Amazon and had the active ingredient piperazine. My bottle says that it contains 275mg of piperazine citrate (110 piperazine base) per 5ml (1 tsp) of product.

According to PoultryDVM,

"Piperazine can be given orally by mouth in each bird, or added to the flock’s water source...

If given by mouth: 50 mg/bird (if younger than 6 weeks of age), otherwise 100 mg/bird (if older than 6 weeks of age), or according to the manufacturer label. Repeat in 7-10 days.

If added to flock water source: 3 mL per gallon of water, or in accordance with the manufacturer’s label. Repeat in 7-10 days."
http://www.poultrydvm.com/drugs/piperazine

If I'm to trust PoultryDVM, just one 1/2 tsp dose (55mg piperazine base) for a young bird, or one 1 tsp dose (110 mg piperazine base) for an adult bird should be sufficient until their subsequent dose a week later? The conflicting dosage information has me a bit confused.