Rumpless? And who's the one crowing?! They were guaranteed to be girls!

[Lady of McCamley]

I'll weigh in after the fact.

I think your roo is definitely the Wyandotte...that's a fairly fleshy comb for the age and blotchy coloring on the feathers....pullets would be more even patterned and have barely any comb....but I agree it is early yet. But if you hear crowing, I personally would look in that direction. I think the rest are pullets, with jury out on the Silkies, too young to sex them accurately.

As to the "tail-less' bird, simply not having tail feathers yet doesn't indicate they won't come. You need to feel its bum to see if it has a"tail bone." True Araucanas (North American standard) won't have a tail bone (pygostyle) as part of their anatomy, the triangular shape we think of as the "tail" on a roasting chicken, which is what anchors the tail feathers to the bird. Without a pygostyle, no tail feathers can grow. You should be able to feel the little bump at the bum if it is present.

LofMc

 

[Exotica]

I'll weigh in after the fact.

I think your roo is definitely the Wyandotte...that's a fairly fleshy comb for the age and blotchy coloring on the feathers....pullets would be more even patterned and have barely any comb....but I agree it is early yet. But if you hear crowing, I personally would look in that direction. I think the rest are pullets, with jury out on the Silkies, too young to sex them accurately.

As to the "tail-less' bird, simply not having tail feathers yet doesn't indicate they won't come. You need to feel its bum to see if it has a"tail bone." True Araucanas (North American standard) won't have a tail bone (pygostyle) as part of their anatomy, the triangular shape we think of as the "tail" on a roasting chicken, which is what anchors the tail feathers to the bird. Without a pygostyle, no tail feathers can grow. You should be able to feel the little bump at the bum if it is present.

LofMc

I also had a gut feeling the roo is the Wyandotte. Every time I've heard that weird attempted crow, it was in .. my first time officially saying it for any of my birds.. HIS direction! I have a roo! Wow! Do you know who effective the no-crow collar is? I'd hate to give him away

I was going to add to my post today that I was curious about the "tail-less" one and did just that.. I poked above it's ******** lol. There is nothing there! My finger goes in! It's so strange! There is no bone, nothing. When I press in it sinks in easily and is very fleshy.. I am 100% sure it is a tail-less bird. Just in case, I went around poking everyone's tail and it's the only one with nothing there! So what does that mean.. is it an Araucana?

 

[Lady of McCamley]

I'm no expert on Araucanas, but I can say that if it is rumpless, it most likely has significant Araucana in it or is an Araucana (rumpless is dominant if I remember correctly, but with the genetics of the 2 genes, Araucana would have to be fairly close back).

I think there are only 5 accepted colors in the US: black, white, black breasted red, silver duck wing, and golden duck wing. The UK has a lot of colors accepted, plus European Araucanas have tails, beards, and ear tufts...the difference in philosophy of breed development between the UK and US.

Your bird looks blue to me, but that doesn't mean it isn't an Araucana, just not "show worthy" as it would not be one of the accepted colors in the US, but would be in the UK (where blue and lavendar are accepted). Many US Ameraucana and Araucana breeders like to work on the blue and lavendar colors even though they are not currently accepted (with hopes to make them accepted in time).

It also does not appear to have ear tufts, another disqualification for the show ring, but allows for breeding (2 tufted birds bred will produce at least 25% chick fatality as 2 tuft genes are fatal, so breeders breed a tufted bird to a clean faced bird to produce chicks with tufts that live, sacrificing that there will be a good percentage that will have no tufts).

As to the no-crow collar. I've not yet tried one...yet... but have been tempted. (I even own one). While roosters are legal where I live, I am keen to keep happy neighbors, so if my rooster is too noisy, I am prepared to put a collar on it if it is a bird I want to keep. Thus far my Barnevelder roo has been a polite boy, so I haven't had to resort to it yet, as my closest neighbors like the sound of the occasional crow. But he's still younger, and as he "man's up," he may see the use of the collar if he becomes too vocal.

I purchased mine from My Pet Chicken. It seems well made, but is completely over-priced. You truly could make something like it yourself with 1/8 inch self stick velcro strips and some mesh. I bought an offical No Crow collar so that I could have a pattern should I find I need to resort to it as I've read they don't last long, depending upon bird and wear and tear. There are some BYC articles on self-made ones.

I do know, from reviews on the collar, that you have to be careful and watch your roo to make sure it is fitting properly. An improperly fitted collar either will not work or can choke the bird (to death by some reports). But, for many it is worth the effort as the roo would have to be given away, and generally to the soup pot, unless the crowing can be stopped or limited. From reports the collar appears to work on a number of birds, with overall happy customers plentiful enough that it appears to be a good idea. From the reviews I've read, failure seems to be likely from improperly placed collars and over tightening.

LofMc

 

[graphicali]

Being rumpless can be just a genetic defect. I have a Welsummer, called Bumless George, who is rumpless.

 

[Jujubara]

I also had a gut feeling the roo is the Wyandotte. Every time I've heard that weird attempted crow, it was in .. my first time officially saying it for any of my birds.. HIS direction! I have a roo! Wow! Do you know who effective the no-crow collar is? I'd hate to give him away   

I was going to add to my post today that I was curious about the "tail-less" one and did just that.. I poked above it's ******** lol. There is nothing there! My finger goes in! It's so strange! There is no bone, nothing. When I press in it sinks in easily and is very fleshy.. I am 100% sure it is a tail-less bird. Just in case, I went around poking everyone's tail and it's the only one with nothing there! So what does that mean.. is it an Araucana?

We use the collar on my WL. It makes his crow A LOT quieter. It took us a bit of adjusting to get it right, but well worth it. He can do all his normal rooster sounds, without the very loud crow. Also like Lady of McCamley said, it is easy to make. Be careful of any things he could snag it on.

 

[Lady of McCamley]

Being rumpless can be just a genetic defect. I have a Welsummer, called Bumless George, who is rumpless.

True, and technically any bird who is rumpless has a "genetic defect"...genes that do not produce the last two vertebra.

But to OP, since the farm said Araucana, I think it is safe to say your bird has Araucana in it or is a project Araucana for blue or lavender.

LofMc

 

[Exotica]

I'm no expert on Araucanas, but I can say that if it is rumpless, it most likely has significant Araucana in it or is an Araucana (rumpless is dominant if I remember correctly, but with the genetics of the 2 genes, Araucana would have to be fairly close back).

I think there are only 5 accepted colors in the US: black, white, black breasted red, silver duck wing, and golden duck wing. The UK has a lot of colors accepted, plus European Araucanas have tails, beards, and ear tufts...the difference in philosophy of breed development between the UK and US.

Your bird looks blue to me, but that doesn't mean it isn't an Araucana, just not "show worthy" as it would not be one of the accepted colors in the US, but would be in the UK (where blue and lavendar are accepted). Many US Ameraucana and Araucana breeders like to work on the blue and lavendar colors even though they are not currently accepted (with hopes to make them accepted in time).

It also does not appear to have ear tufts, another disqualification for the show ring, but allows for breeding (2 tufted birds bred will produce at least 25% chick fatality as 2 tuft genes are fatal, so breeders breed a tufted bird to a clean faced bird to produce chicks with tufts that live, sacrificing that there will be a good percentage that will have no tufts).

As to the no-crow collar. I've not yet tried one...yet... but have been tempted. (I even own one). While roosters are legal where I live, I am keen to keep happy neighbors, so if my rooster is too noisy, I am prepared to put a collar on it if it is a bird I want to keep. Thus far my Barnevelder roo has been a polite boy, so I haven't had to resort to it yet, as my closest neighbors like the sound of the occasional crow. But he's still younger, and as he "man's up," he may see the use of the collar if he becomes too vocal.

I purchased mine from My Pet Chicken. It seems well made, but is completely over-priced. You truly could make something like it yourself with 1/8 inch self stick velcro strips and some mesh. I bought an offical No Crow collar so that I could have a pattern should I find I need to resort to it as I've read they don't last long, depending upon bird and wear and tear. There are some BYC articles on self-made ones.

I do know, from reviews on the collar, that you have to be careful and watch your roo to make sure it is fitting properly. An improperly fitted collar either will not work or can choke the bird (to death by some reports). But, for many it is worth the effort as the roo would have to be given away, and generally to the soup pot, unless the crowing can be stopped or limited. From reports the collar appears to work on a number of birds, with overall happy customers plentiful enough that it appears to be a good idea. From the reviews I've read, failure seems to be likely from improperly placed collars and over tightening.

LofMc

All my birds are solely kept as pets so I don't mind! Yes, she/he is indeed blue!
I also saw it on MPC and thought it was completely overpriced! I'll probably try to make my own and will heed your advice to be extra careful!
Thank you so much for your response!

Being rumpless can be just a genetic defect. I have a Welsummer, called Bumless George, who is rumpless.

Bumless George

I love that! Maybe it was a defect.. I don't remember if the farm had put Ameraucana or Araucana but will call and ask!

We use the collar on my WL. It makes his crow A LOT quieter. It took us a bit of adjusting to get it right, but well worth it. He can do all his normal rooster sounds, without the very loud crow. Also like Lady of McCamley said, it is easy to make. Be careful of any things he could snag it on.

What a beautiful boy!! This post makes me less worried! How loud is his crow now?

True, and technically any bird who is rumpless has a "genetic defect"...genes that do not produce the last two vertebra.

But to OP, since the farm said Araucana, I think it is safe to say your bird has Araucana in it or is a project Araucana for blue or lavender.

LofMc

I don't remember if he said Ameraucana or Araucana but I am positive it is one of the two. I do remember that he only has blue of that breed though. Perhaps it was a defect, but I love her! I think she looks funny in a cute way!

 

[Lady of McCamley]

Here is the difference and some history between Ameraucana and Araucana.

http://www.the-chicken-chick.com/2011/09/ameraucana-easter-egger-or-araucana.html

Ameraucana does have some Arauana in the background, which could possibly give a throw back, but due to the fact that your bird is rumpless and beardless, I bet it is Araucana that he had.

LofMc

 

[Jujubara]

Thank you, he is a sweetie. His crow is very low, you can't hear him around the other side of the house. Works wonders.

Also, it took us a lot of adjusting to get it perfect, don't give up.

 

[Exotica]

Here is the difference and some history between Ameraucana and Araucana.

http://www.the-chicken-chick.com/2011/09/ameraucana-easter-egger-or-araucana.html

Ameraucana does have some Arauana in the background, which could possibly give a throw back, but due to the fact that your bird is rumpless and beardless, I bet it is Araucana that he had.

LofMc

Thank you!! I just texted him and asked him what breed they were again! I am so excited about this little "rumpless" development.. or non-development, I should say!

Are there many rump-less birds?

Thank you, he is a sweetie. His crow is very low, you can't hear him around the other side of the house. Works wonders.

Also, it took us a lot of adjusting to get it perfect, don't give up.

That is perfect!!!! I'm willing to work on it as I've always wanted a roo but was deathly afraid of the crowing. Now that I know it works that well, I am so happy and excited!! thank you, thank you so much!!