Run/Pen Advice? Need advice on predator-proofing!

tuesdaylove

Crowing
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Mar 3, 2012
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I recently had made a thread in the 'what gender/breed' thread about a chicken I rescued, only for it to be killed by some unknown predator (which I assume was a fox or weasel perhaps), and some kind folks on that thread suggested I post pictures of my chicken run/pen (I call it both) so that I could perhaps have some of y'all take a look and tell me if there are ways I can improve this pen, to protect against predators or just improve it in general!

I raise and breed a small flock of bantam chickens, currently two roosters and two hens, but hopefully with two little ones hatching out soon. They used to all stay in this pen I and my family build, made mostly of chicken wire and bamboo stalks. It's study, has survived terrible storms, and does a good job of keeping the chickens in, except for one bantam hen I have who somehow always manages to get out. I have no clue how; I don't see gaps in the wire but there must be somewhere. My chickens, the bantam flock and two standard hens I rescued, all lived there for about a year with no problem after we first built it, but it's like once one predator attacked, the attacks just kept coming. I lost one standard hen and a bantam hen to something coming in and killing and eating them, and another to mysteriously drop dead inside the pen -- I'm not entirely unconvinced it was something that came in and killed her, but just didn't eat her. She was in great health. And of course, there was the last chicken I rescued who I had in that pen for only two days before something ate it. I've had my bantams in a dog kennel and a rabbit run further inside the backyard, to keep them safe, and the only reason the last chicken was in the pen I built was because there was nowhere safer to keep it yet.

I miss having my chickens in the run that was made just for them (not to mention my dogs need their kennel back!) so I would love to know how I can make it safer for the little feathered ones. Right now, it's made of just regular chicken wire on all sides and the top, but there's no proper roof, aside from the shade of the tree.

(Click the photos to see them larger!)


This is the view approaching the pen, where you can see most of it except for the part on the right. It's one big pen that has two sections; the left one is bigger. There used to be a second door inside that separated the two sections but it has fallen down. This left part is less crowded, and has a five-gallon bucket lying over as a nest box (the chickens love using it), as well as some proper nest boxes we built. In the corner are some bamboo sticks running through the wire to make roosting poles, which they sleep on every night when they're in there. The door is where you see the metal sheet along the bottom half, and it's closed and secured with a bungee cord, then something usually pushed against the bottom of the door to hold it further closed.


This is the right half; the vault-turned-dog house isn't part of the run if that's unclear, but the little brown doghouse is.


Here's the view when you stand in the doorway and look to the left portion of the run. You can see the nesting boxes, and through the plants that have grown in since the bantams lived there, you can see the roosting poles.


Here's from inside the pen, through the second doorway and into the right half of the run. The chickens would get in the doghouse when it rained, and the material hanging down was a tarp that offered more shelter, but has been torn up by storms. Since this is the part of the run that's closest to the woods behind my house, there's those metal sheets as well as hardware cloth (I believe it's called) reinforcing the bottom of the chicken wire. (The green wire is what their feeder hung on.)


This is a view of the lattice and what used to be the tarp that hung lay above it to offer shelter. The chickens also fly up there to sit sometimes. This is the part of the roof I'm worried about -- that pole in the back fell down once but I got zip-ties and closed up the gaps the best I could, but I'm worried this still isn't safe enough.


This is also in the right half of the pen, a nesting box nailed to the tree. The wooden post to the left of the tree makes up part of the doorway inside the pen that leads out to the left portion.


And this is a shot of the roof; it's not too great because of the lighting but you can get a basic idea of how it's constructed.

So what do y'all think? Should I reinforce the roof perhaps, or focus on the sides? How do my nesting boxes and other materials inside look, and is there anything else I could add to make the chickens safer and happier?
 
I think you have some work to do but all is not lost.

What materials do you have available? (lumber and wire and tools and such)
Skill level with tools?

Can you gather pallets? A lot of places have free pallets available if you can transport them.
 
I think you have some work to do but all is not lost.

What materials do you have available? (lumber and wire and tools and such)
Skill level with tools?

Can you gather pallets? A lot of places have free pallets available if you can transport them.


I can get access to probably all of those things; my grandparents live next door to me and my grandpa has a shop where he works on all kinds of stuff, I'm sure he'll let me borrow tools and materials. I don't know how to use most tools myself, besides the basics.

I'll start looking around for places to get pallets, definitely. What would they be used for?
 
People have made some amazing coops with used pallets.

https://www.backyardchickens.com/a/deuce-coop
This is a recent coop someone is working on and they have taken good pictures. Not that you need a coop this size but the ideas are sound.

https://www.backyardchickens.com/t/836711/pallet-coop
This is a rather long thread showing pallet usage.

https://www.backyardchickens.com/t/296168/lets-see-pics-of-your-pallet-coops

https://www.backyardchickens.com/t/792316/my-4x6-pallet-coop-build-completed-pic-heavy

This may help you to get ideas flowing.

Would your Grandfather perhaps help you out by showing you how to use the tools and maybe even lending a hand?

Pallets are hard to take apart so I would try to find ones that are same size to use. You can get some good framing for a coop using them whole. Siding at Home Depot is about 25 to 30 dollars a sheet and if you plan it out on paper you wont have much waste.
Other people have used shipping crates they got off Craigs list or from an ad in the paper.

This is my absolute favorite one.
https://www.backyardchickens.com/t/617973/our-shipping-crate-coop-finally-finished-pic-heavy

You may find creative ways to use pallets to shore up the run as well.

Graph paper is your friend in designing a coop. I draw and re-draw coops when I am planning one. Cheaper to make a mistake on paper.
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Love the size of your run. The most important thing to me is to have a secured coop so you can lock them up safely every night. The pallet idea is great.
 
People have made some amazing coops with used pallets.

https://www.backyardchickens.com/a/deuce-coop
This is a recent coop someone is working on and they have taken good pictures. Not that you need a coop this size but the ideas are sound.

https://www.backyardchickens.com/t/836711/pallet-coop
This is a rather long thread showing pallet usage.

https://www.backyardchickens.com/t/296168/lets-see-pics-of-your-pallet-coops

https://www.backyardchickens.com/t/792316/my-4x6-pallet-coop-build-completed-pic-heavy

This may help you to get ideas flowing.

Would your Grandfather perhaps help you out by showing you how to use the tools and maybe even lending a hand?

Pallets are hard to take apart so I would try to find ones that are same size to use. You can get some good framing for a coop using them whole. Siding at Home Depot is about 25 to 30 dollars a sheet and if you plan it out on paper you wont have much waste.
Other people have used shipping crates they got off Craigs list or from an ad in the paper.

This is my absolute favorite one.
https://www.backyardchickens.com/t/617973/our-shipping-crate-coop-finally-finished-pic-heavy

You may find creative ways to use pallets to shore up the run as well.

Graph paper is your friend in designing a coop. I draw and re-draw coops when I am planning one. Cheaper to make a mistake on paper.
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Thanks for the links! I'll definitely check those out. My grandfather will help me as best as he is able to, I'm sure, though he's older and might not be able to do anything too labor-intensive... but then that's what my boyfriend's for, right? (lol) I'll draw one up the best I can and see what I can make it with. I'm not positive we can get shipping crates but between the old sheds we have in the yard, spare lumber, and even an old rabbit hutch, I'm sure we can come up with something we can convert into a coop.

Love the size of your run. The most important thing to me is to have a secured coop so you can lock them up safely every night. The pallet idea is great.

Thank you!
 
Today I would like to tell you why a secure coop is important.

Yesterday afternoon a neighbor stopped by to tell me she had 3 raccoons treed in her yard. I had a "temporary" hoop coop set up for some of my chickens. I knew it could not withstand a raccoon. I sucked it up and went to get proper wire. I re did the wiring on the whole thing.
That hoop coop sits well within the range of a motion activated light and that light shines into my bedroom.
It went off at least 30 times last night.
Something was checking out my coops. I headed out the door followed very closely by my huge dogs when I heard something scratching on the wire. The dogs were all nose to the ground around the hoop coop. Some of the wire was a little damaged but NOT broken. I did not see the critter but I did hear it and am sure it was the raccoon.
The main coop was of no interest to my dogs noses and the ladies in there were locked in very securely.
It is well worth it to invest in security for them in my humble opinion.

Your run is large enough for sure. Just need to make it strong. Even if your Grandfather cannot do much work he can lend his years of experience and be the foreman on the job maybe.

When drawing it up on the graph paper a ruler can easily help you figure measurements. Most graph paper has a 1/4 inch grid. I use the 1/4 inch to equal either 1 foot when I draw out the overall plan or 3 inches (4 squares make a foot that way) for when I am doing details.
 
I use 1/4 " Hardware cloth on my coop and run. The hardware screen is buried around the run/roost 10-12" deep. We made Brick planter boxes around it also. The run is predator proof and we lock them in at night. We have a 5' welded wire paddock they use in the day. They also free range when we are home and our dog is our with the chickens.
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What do you all think about an old rabbit hutch as a temporary coop? At least until my schedule clears up enough to be able to build a bigger one (I have cross-state trips and court upcoming).

I can get a picture of it later but I think it's a decent size at least for the three-bantam flock to sleep in -- I'd estimate about three feet wide by a foot and a half wide and about two feet tall, sloping roof, two doors on the front -- one half has a wire-crate-like front and door, smaller half has a solid wooden door and is enclosed all the way around. I think it could give them safety, while having a warm, safer side if they need it, and still allowing ventilation. And I can leave a door open during the day to let them walk around.

They're still not in the run I posted about originally, but in a dog kennel (chain-link fence) that is closer to the house.
 
Be careful using rabbit hutches for chickens. The wire on the bottom will allow the toes to go through. I know someone who used one and a raccoon managed to grab the toes and yank part of a leg off. Poor chicken.
If you use a rabbit hutch put a piece of plywood on the bottom so the toes are safer. Also the wire can have sharp points and poke a foot potentially causing bumblefoot.
 

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