Safe-Guard Fenbendazole Goat Dewormer Liquid Dosage For Chickens. Having trouble right now

[John Deere Boy]

I found you want to give your chickens 3mm of the Safe-Guard Fenbendazole Goat Dewormer liquid in a gallon of water but I’m having trouble measuring that out with my syringes that measure in ml’s. It seems like a small amount of dewormer but is there any suggestions or answers you guys may have about going about this to get the proper measurement for a chicken??

 

[Kiki]

Unfortunately you cannot add Safe-Guard goat wormer to water if you are wanting to use it to deworm chickens.
You must dose each bird directly to the beak.

How many birds do you have and do you know approximately how much a few of them weigh?

 

[John Deere Boy]

Unfortunately you cannot add Safe-Guard goat wormer to water if you are wanting to use it to deworm chickens.
You must dose each bird directly to the beak.

How many birds do you have and do you know approximately how much a few of them weigh?

17 hens. 1 rooster. Rhode Island Red, Barred Rock, Black Sex Link, Dominique, Speckled Sussex. The Black Sex Links are the heaviest out of the flock the lightest one right now is probably the Speckled Sussex only because she is sick with worms. I was only planning on treating the 1 sick Speckled Sussex at the moment.

 

[coach723]

Do you know what kind of worms?

 

[John Deere Boy]

Do you know what kind of worms?

Someone I know just privately sent me information and dosages after looking at the sick chickens feces under microscope. The guy helped me figure out some measurements. I’m only gonna be treating the one sick Speckled Sussex hen for now. She’s not doing so good so I need to try giving her the Fenbendazole goat dewormer without overdosing. (Pictures below). Thank you for taking notice to my issues I’m having right now

 

[coach723]

Glad you got help. Correct dose is .23 ml per pound of bird weight, once a day for 5 days in a row.

 

[IdahoPrepper]

Glad you got help. Correct dose is .23 ml per pound of bird weight, once a day for 5 days in a row.

WARNING WARNING WARNING!!!!!!!!!!!
If this dosing is for safeguard 10% goat dewormer the dose will kill all animals given to. 2.3ml of safeguard treats 100lbs of animals.

The correct dose is .115ml per 5lbs of birds. So since that is a very small amount and no way to correctly do that per bird what you want to do is dilute with a small KNOWN amount of water then dose birds.

So .115ml treats 5lbs of birds. You want to add 9 parts water 9ml total to 1.13ml (50lbs of birds) of safe guard. Then use 1 mil per 5lb bird for 5 days of the water safeguard mix. That water mix will treat 10 birds.

Buy 1ml shringes at the feed and tack to measure everything. Hold the birds down and squirt it in their mouth. Wear thin rubber gloves.

 

[coach723]

WARNING WARNING WARNING!!!!!!!!!!!
If this dosing is for safeguard 10% goat dewormer the dose will kill all animals given to. 2.3ml of safeguard treats 100lbs of animals.

The correct dose is .115ml per 5lbs of birds. So since that is a very small amount and no way to correctly do that per bird what you want to do is dilute with a small KNOWN amount of water then dose birds.

So .115ml treats 5lbs of birds. You want to add 9 parts water 9ml total to 1.13ml (50lbs of birds) of safe guard. Then use 1 mil per 5lb bird for 5 days of the water safeguard mix. That water mix will treat 10 birds.

Buy 1ml shringes at the feed and tack to measure everything. Hold the birds down and squirt it in their mouth. Wear thin rubber gloves.

**THIS IS NOT CORRECT!!
Below is excerpt from Plumbs Veterinary Drug Handbook:

Birds require higher doses per lb because they metabolize much faster than mammals. Birds and mammals have very different dosing requirements for nearly all medications. I have used the higher (correct) dose regularly for more than a decade, I have NEVER had a bird suffer ill effects from it.
Also see post #24 here, shows math for a cow vs math for a bird:
https://www.backyardchickens.com/th...mer-for-chickens.1631024/page-3#post-27908261
Secondly, the only Safeguard you can mix in water is Safeguard Aquasol, which is very expensive. The goat wormer or the horse paste are not formulated to be suspended in water. They will settle out and dosing will be wrong. So they have to be dosed orally. Or in some cases you can mix it in a mash of feed mixed with water as it will be absorbed or adhere to the feed, this method is generally used by those that don't want to do an egg withdrawl. Math for that method is here:
https://www.backyardchickens.com/threads/safeguard-mash-zero-day-egg-withdrawal.1254653/
The way you are dosing is so diluted, I doubt it's doing anything except maybe building you some resistant parasites in your birds.

 

[IdahoPrepper]

It stays suspended in 10ml of water long enough to suck it up a shringe. Maybe not a 55 gallon barrel of water all night but that wasnt what I said to do, read it again!

Here is a VET dosing a sick turkey online. Mg not ML. 1,000Mg to 1 ML. He is dosing 50Mg or 1/200th of a MIL.


Customer: The vet thought my turkey might need deworming. I can get an herbal de-wormer locally but wondered if there are any pharmaceutical de-wormers that work well for turkeys?


Bird Veterinarian: Dr. Michael Salkin
You can also use the goat product ( Safeguard) and dose at 10 mg per pound of bodyweight daily for 5 days.

The way I dosed is the proper VET Rx per turkey per pound.

Off of the drug makers webpage. 25Ml treats 11,000lbs of chickens

Total estimated body weight [kg] of the chickens to be treated x 0.005 mL = mL Safe-Guard® AquaSol/day

Examples:

Total body weight of birds to be treated	Volume of Safe-Guard® AquaSol per day	Volume of Safe-Guard® AquaSol (for 5 days)
5,000 kg (11,000 lb)	25 mL	5 x 25 mL = 125 mL

 

[coach723]

The vet gave the correct dosing for Safeguard Goat Wormer in his first sentence, and then followed up with dosing for Safeguard Aquasol, which is what he used.
Safeguard Goat wormer contains 100 mg/ml of medication, Aquasol contains 200 mg/ml of medication.
When discussing dosing, one should be very clear on what medication, form and % of medication they are talking about. Dosing in volume (ml) will be different for each of those medications based on concentration of the medication (mg) in each ml of it. How many mg of medication are in each ml of the liquid is what is important, so that the appropriate amount is given. If the aquasol is mixed in drinking water, the dose will also be different as it's diluted and based on the average intake of drinking water each day. When given directly orally, the dose is not spread out through the day, it's given all at once. All of those variables matter.