Safeguard/fenbendazole for gapeworm?

[smooch177]

As a medical professional you should be used to dealing with things like mg/ml and mg/kg, yes? One ml of Safeguard paste = 100 mg. One pea size amount is 0.25 ml to 0.3 ml, so only 25 mg to 30 mg. With me so far?

Not sure who started the pea size misinformation, but it's referenced in thousands of places on the web and in books

4.5 pounds / 2.2 x 50 (mg/kg) / 100 mg/ml = 1.02 ml x 5 days for your 4.5 pound hen
This dose will also treat capillary worms, large roundworms, and possibly some species of tapeworms.


-Kathy

Appreciate this more than I can tell you, thank you so much.
I think it must be the last few nights of little to no sleep trying to keep this little one kicking that is finally catching up with my brain, I definitely feel fried!!

Thanks again )

 

[h2oratt]

It could be gapes, but gapes don't seem to be that common in chickens. Fine to treat for gapes, but don't be surprised if it doesn't cure them. Can you get a 3 ml syringe? If so, just transfer the paste from the big tube into the 3 ml syringe. I know the pea sized amount is in hundreds of posts, but it's just more misinformation. I've actually measured out how much a pea sized amount is, and it's about 1/4 to 1/3 a cc and contains 25 to 30 mg of medication, which is no where near enough to be effective. Your 25 gram tube of paste = 25 ml of liquid Safeguard [COLOR=333333]From left to right - Panacur Paste (10% fenbendazole) - 0.1 ml (10 mg), 0.25 ml (25 mg), 0.5 ml (50 mg).[/COLOR] [COLOR=333333]1 ml of paste = 1 ml of liquid Safeguard[/COLOR] [COLOR=333333] [/COLOR] [COLOR=333333]Weighed empty 6cc (ml) syringe[/COLOR]g [COLOR=333333] [/COLOR] [COLOR=333333]Filled with Panacur 10% paste and weighed. Difference is 6 grams, so 6 grams = 6cc's (ml)[/COLOR] [COLOR=333333] [/COLOR] [COLOR=333333]This book says treatment is 0.14 ml per pound, but I suggested 0.23 because 0.23 ml per pound will treat capillary worms, so might as well treat all just in case. [/COLOR] [COLOR=333333]Gapeworm[/COLOR] [COLOR=333333] [/COLOR] [COLOR=333333] [/COLOR] If you need more proof, here is a prescription from a vet: Note that the vet rounded up to 0.25 ml (25 mg) per pound. I'm too anal, so I prefer to say it's 0.23 ml per pound, 'cause it's actually 0.227 ml (22.7 mg) [COLOR=333333] [/COLOR] [COLOR=333333]Does that help at all?[/COLOR] [COLOR=333333]-Kathy[/COLOR]

Kathy. That is strange because that is the dose I give my puppies. .23 ml/ l lb

 

[mark stefaniw]

I'm treating my 4 year old, 9 pound female turkey for gapeworms, at 25mg per pound as recommended by castorpony...that being 9 "pea-sized" doses given in thirds (3 peas three times per day). Assuming I have that right, what sort of behavior do I look for now as the worms die -- will she try to cough them out, or do they fall into the lungs?

She hasn't vocalized for the last couple of months, and gapes a lot like she's out of wind just walking from the chicken coop to the garden about 40 feet away, and twists her head/neck around frequently. No discharge from nose or eyes. Losing weight slowly, but still eating moderately well.

 

[mark stefaniw]

When a bird is being treated for gape worms, what does the response/recovery look like?
a) Will the bird stop gaping immediately after 1st or 2nd dosage?
b) Will the bird stop gaping towards the end of the treatment?
c) Will the bird stop gaping some days after the treatment?

 

[casportpony]

When a bird is being treated for gape worms, what does the response/recovery look like?
a) Will the bird stop gaping immediately after 1st or 2nd dosage?
b) Will the bird stop gaping towards the end of the treatment?
c) Will the bird stop gaping some days after the treatment?

When I treated mine for gapes she was better by day three, but she's the only one that I have had to treat.

 

[BigBirdy]

When I treated mine for gapes she was better by day three, but she's the only one that I have had to treat.

I have one hen with the head shaking symptom, she also seems kind of light for her size, and another hen with the constant yawning symptom. Would it be ok if I gave them the gapeworm dose of 1 ML Safeguard for 5 consective days and see if it helps? They might weigh a little less than 4 pounds because one is only a little bigger than a leghorn and the other is very light for her size, so do you think 0.75 ML for 5 days would be safer? This is the safeguard I have, the one for goats, it's unopened but it said it expired on 07/2019.

 

[BigBirdy]

When I treated mine for gapes she was better by day three, but she's the only one that I have had to treat.

This site says the pea sized amount given at three seperate times is the recommended dose.
http://www.poultrydvm.com/condition/gapeworms

 

[Miss Lydia]

@casportpony

 

[casportpony]

@casportpony

That site is wrong. Although it's called poultrydvm, it was not written by, nor endorsed by a veterinarian. Much of the info on that site is pretty good, though this one page is loaded with misinformation and all of the dosing recommendations are wrong.

 

[BigBirdy]

That site is wrong. Although it's called poultrydvm, it was not written by, nor endorsed by a veterinarian. Much of the info on that site is pretty good, though this one page is loaded with misinformation and all of the dosing recommendations are wrong.

For gapeworm I have to give them 0.75 ML of Safeguard for 5 days and that's it? They're probably around 3 pounds each hen.