Sand or deep litter for a warmer coop?

Deep litter! Sand is a great insulator until it gets cold. My chickens would not set foot on a cold, sandy floor in the middle of winter. But toss some hay or straw right on the snow in the pen and they come out to play! The fluffy dry hay and straw makes a huge difference.

I also second deep litter in the pen. I have a huge pen, about 25'x40', and I use wood chips in my pen. I use fresh woodchips because these are readily available to me for free and they take longer to break down. I know there are some concerns with specific fungi breeding in fresh wood chips but I have never had a problem. I used to buy from a landscape company, $1 a yard plus $25 to deliver. Now I contact my local tree company that works for the city and they dump a truckload (about 12 yards) of chipped wood and some leaf litter and pine needles into my driveway for free, but I don't get to specify the amount. I have a party with grilling and invite over friends and people help me cart it to my chicken pen at the far end of my back lawn. I do this every couple of years. If you have somewhere to store a big pile of wood chips, you can order them this way and age them for a year on your own if you are concerned.
I try for about 6" deep across the whole pen and never touch it again except for in the spring when certain areas become impacted from all the snow and foot traffic and maybe the chips weren't deep enough anyhow. I just go out with a pitchfork and garden rake. I toss the compacted stuff around in the deep areas with the pitchfork and then rake the cleaner wood chips from those same areas into the compacted spots. When I have weeds pulled from my lawns or old veggie scraps, I just throw them right in. The rest of the year the chickens do the rest of the turning and digging for me. All around I spend 2-3 days of labor on my whole pen all year long.
If I feel like it, before I add new woodchips, I will sometimes use the ones that have been aging in chicken manure for a couple years in trenches when building new garden beds and shovel out the compost underneath for adding to those same raised beds. We have deep clay soil so double digging with the chicken manure wood chips is amazing.

The DL in the coop is similarly low maintenance. Depending on how many chickens I have I might clean it as many as four times in a year. I just toss it into a compost pile and it steams up for a month, then breaks down into clean compost over the course of a year. Nobody grows zucchini like I do. My biggest was 8lbs 10oz! Chicken compost is your gardens best friend. You can even just use it to mulch around trees or feed flower beds. Go nuts with it.

TL;DR: Always deep litter. Deep litter is AMAZING for both coops and pens.
 
Hey everyone!
At the beginning of my research, I was sold on the deep-litter method, and I know that's what a lot of people on here use. Recently, though, I have heard a lot about sand. It's supposed to be a good insulator, and I suspect it would produce less moisture than the composting shavings would. I know that moisture is your worst enemy in winter, so it would be great to cut down on that. What are all yous' opinions on bedding?

Thanks!
There is also heat produced from the composting process that goes on in the deep litter method. I have used it for 10 years now- with some VERY wet springs. The moisture is handled well by the deep litter. I think the benefits of deep litter make it the best option.
 
You *want* it to be as much of a compost bin as possible. That's what makes it pleasant to hang out in!

Mine smells like a forest floor. The top layer is dry. My boots stay clean for the most part, especially if I've thrown down some BOSS before I go in. They scratch the fresh poop into the litter so I'm not stepping in it and it doesn't attract flies.

The best litter, IMO, is a mix of whatever organic matter you can get locally and as close to free as possible. For me that's straw, pine needles, fall leaves, garden waste, kitchen scraps, wood shavings, twigs, etc. I wish I could find aged wood chips nearby, but that doesn't happen much in the desert.

What do you have locally? Do you have trees on your property?
How would you use the all leaves? I have a serious abundance of leaves and would love a real use for them. Do you just add them to the run as you would straw in the DL method? Anything I should know about that?
 
I am with aart on this one. I really don’t understand how people do DL in a coop, unless it had an earth floor. Poop boards and deep bedding for us - I use Koop Clean because it makes better compost - the coop is always very dry and I cannot imagine it ever smelling bad (after I scraped the boards that is, which I do every morning). DL in the run - I do not need another area to clean up and it works perfectly. No smell, no flies, minimal work.
 
How would you use the all leaves? I have a serious abundance of leaves and would love a real use for them. Do you just add them to the run as you would straw in the DL method? Anything I should know about that?
Yep, if I had enough leaves I'd use them in place of straw. I started with a foot of straw bedding and added more on top when needed. I think you could start off with a good foot and add another shortly after since leaves will break down faster.

I also added whatever organic material was around as it became available. If you have weeds, twigs, grass clippings, fruit and veg trimmings, etc. add those too. You want air pockets so different sized material will keep it aerobic.

Another thing I discovered is that it really helps to inoculate new bedding with soil from your yard. Just mix some in with a pitchfork. That will get it jumpstarted.

Since I'm in the desert and I need more moisture for it to work for me, I dug down 2 feet to capture rain runoff when it occurs (which is rarely). I do have to add water but hosing it down in the summer gives my girls a much welcomed swamp cooler effect.

With water and dirt inoculant, I have DL working in my wood floor coop too. I just made sure I sealed the wood first with BlackJack roofing sealer. My coop "cleaning" regimen is tossing some BOSS down on the coop litter under the roosts and letting the birds turn it.

For added chicken (and my) enjoyment I will use a pitchfork to turn over the compost deeper down in both run and coop so they have access to the sprouted weeds and bugs. They love it.
 
I am with aart on this one. I really don’t understand how people do DL in a coop, unless it had an earth floor. Poop boards and deep bedding for us - I use Koop Clean because it makes better compost - the coop is always very dry and I cannot imagine it ever smelling bad (after I scraped the boards that is, which I do every morning). DL in the run - I do not need another area to clean up and it works perfectly. No smell, no flies, minimal work.
I didn't think it would work in a wood floor coop but it does. @lazy gardener gave me the confidence to try it and she was right. I added moisture and mixed in a little dirt. Prior to that it was just deep bedding. Now it's composting nicely.

Another benefit is that 2 of my girls with chronic respiratory disease (CRD) now show zero symptoms, no more sneezing or raspy sounds, because the dust is pretty much gone.
 
Yep, if I had enough leaves I'd use them in place of straw. I started with a foot of straw bedding and added more on top when needed. I think you could start off with a good foot and add another shortly after since leaves will break down faster.

I also added whatever organic material was around as it became available. If you have weeds, twigs, grass clippings, fruit and veg trimmings, etc. add those too. You want air pockets so different sized material will keep it aerobic.

Another thing I discovered is that it really helps to inoculate new bedding with soil from your yard. Just mix some in with a pitchfork. That will get it jumpstarted.

Since I'm in the desert and I need more moisture for it to work for me, I dug down 2 feet to capture rain runoff when it occurs (which is rarely). I do have to add water but hosing it down in the summer gives my girls a much welcomed swamp cooler effect.

With water and dirt inoculant, I have DL working in my wood floor coop too. I just made sure I sealed the wood first with BlackJack roofing sealer. My coop "cleaning" regimen is tossing some BOSS down on the coop litter under the roosts and letting the birds turn it.

For added chicken (and my) enjoyment I will use a pitchfork to turn over the compost deeper down in both run and coop so they have access to the sprouted weeds and bugs. They love it.
Well, hot dog! I am super excited to learn that. Finally a use for all of the leaves and a boost in the compost for the garden! That’s a total win. I am so thankful for this site and all of the kind folks who so happily share their wisdom!
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Good dry leaves can be piled high and will break down pretty fast,
tho they can also turn into an anaerobic mass if they get wet and aren't mixed with other more robust materials to form the air pockets mentioned above.
 

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