Saved two new chickens from a slaughter house!
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Ya, I'm in the U.S, they're doing great and I plan to make an even bigger and better coop for them with better coverage, lots of predators up here in the mountains.
by the way, just to clear a few things up... I'm a he...
by the way, just to clear a few things up... I'm a he...
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This thread illustrates the huge chasm between the Pet Chicken and the Production Chicken owners on this board.
Personally, I don't see this as a rescue since the chickens in question were destined to a productive end as a source of protein for humans or animals. This is completely different than the rescue of dogs and cats that are being abused or neglected by their owners.
Jim
If the person stole the chickens, I would agree. But I am guessing that he bought the chickens, so I don't see anything wrong with saying that he saved them from death.
That isn't putting down people who raise meat chickens. I plan to do the same thing. But if someone came to me and said, "I will pay you the same amount for that live chicken that you would have gotten for the sale of the meat." I wouldn't be offended if they claimed that they saved the bird. I guess that they would have.
Either way, I would have gotten paid.
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This thread illustrates the huge chasm between the Pet Chicken and the Production Chicken owners on this board.
Personally, I don't see this as a rescue since the chickens in question were destined to a productive end as a source of protein for humans or animals. This is completely different than the rescue of dogs and cats that are being abused or neglected by their owners.
Jim
If the person stole the chickens, I would agree. But I am guessing that he bought the chickens, so I don't see anything wrong with saying that he saved them from death.
That isn't putting down people who raise meat chickens. I plan to do the same thing. But if someone came to me and said, "I will pay you the same amount for that live chicken that you would have gotten for the sale of the meat." I wouldn't be offended if they claimed that they saved the bird. I guess that they would have.
Either way, I would have gotten paid.
Rescue definition (from the dictionary) just means removing something from a dangerous situation. So if the chickens were set to die then i think that would be a dangerous situation and would qualify as a rescue. I bet the chickens would think so if you could ask them.
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That is the dictionary definition, however with the advent of a stronger ASPCA and breed rescue groups the term "Rescue" has morphed into saving animals from unhealthy, malnourished, abusive ownership and plaing them into homes where they can have a productive live.
The assignment of "rescue" to a meat animal destined to a productive end as providing food and nourishment for humans is incorrect in my view. Had the chickens been removed from an owner that was not feed them, that technically would be a rescue. If the birds were stolen from a slaughterhouse because they thought their productive use was more important than the productive use as food then we are not talking about rescue, rather a shift in productivity.
If the person purchased the birds then I don't care what they did with them. My biggest concern is the implied equality between food harvesting throught slaughter and neglect, malnourishment, and abuse. There two totally separate issues.
Jim
That is the dictionary definition, however with the advent of a stronger ASPCA and breed rescue groups the term "Rescue" has morphed into saving animals from unhealthy, malnourished, abusive ownership and plaing them into homes where they can have a productive live.
The assignment of "rescue" to a meat animal destined to a productive end as providing food and nourishment for humans is incorrect in my view. Had the chickens been removed from an owner that was not feed them, that technically would be a rescue. If the birds were stolen from a slaughterhouse because they thought their productive use was more important than the productive use as food then we are not talking about rescue, rather a shift in productivity.
If the person purchased the birds then I don't care what they did with them. My biggest concern is the implied equality between food harvesting throught slaughter and neglect, malnourishment, and abuse. There two totally separate issues.
Jim
Everyone entitled to their personal opinions but i don't see anywhere the SPCA has the authority to define what is considered a rescue. Many dog rescues I know just take in dogs when owners move and there is no abuse or neglect so that does that mean their groups aren't rescues? SPCA mission is for the prevention of cruelty to dogs and cats and to promote spay and neuter programs they aren't a governing body over rescues.
There are thousands of rescues for wildlife, farm animals and all kinds of animals that don't fit the mold of the SPCA or dog and cat rescues. Ownership really has nothing to do with it. For instance when we capture a great blue heron that fishing line wrapped around its beak that cant eat The swan I picked up roaming the downtown last week starving to death, lost and alone. They are generally all human caused ailments but no one owned them nor do they get adopted.
Another example is Farm Sanctuary, a very large and well known rescue group that only takes in meat animals. So again your entitled to think their aren't a legitimate rescue group because they take meat animals. The SPCA or any dog rescue community certainly has no right to say they aren't a legitimate rescue group though. People can personally just choose not to support them if they dont feel their work is worhty but obviously enough people do because they have a large budget and a lot of supporters.
One lady in my office goes around touting her dog rescue almost daily. Hitting people up for money. She has one dog! One dog she has been fostering for years and she spends every day fund-raising so she can have a pet and not pay for its food or vet care. She probabyl pays herself to take care of the dog too. She is at every dog event selling crap to support her rescue. Putting flyers in our break room every week. I ask her for help with a dog rescue situation and she says oh she has the one dog that's all she can do. Oh she cant distribute the dog needing home to her email network, that is too much work!! She couldn't do anything because her one dog is so overwhelming and the President of her rescue (herself) has to give permission before she can assist any other dogs. I am sure the one dog she has came from a bad situation but in my opinion she has no right to call herself a rescue but since she saved a dog everyone bows down to her efforts. Obviously people will disagree with me about that too but like I said everyone's entitled to their opinions.
There are thousands of rescues for wildlife, farm animals and all kinds of animals that don't fit the mold of the SPCA or dog and cat rescues. Ownership really has nothing to do with it. For instance when we capture a great blue heron that fishing line wrapped around its beak that cant eat The swan I picked up roaming the downtown last week starving to death, lost and alone. They are generally all human caused ailments but no one owned them nor do they get adopted.
Another example is Farm Sanctuary, a very large and well known rescue group that only takes in meat animals. So again your entitled to think their aren't a legitimate rescue group because they take meat animals. The SPCA or any dog rescue community certainly has no right to say they aren't a legitimate rescue group though. People can personally just choose not to support them if they dont feel their work is worhty but obviously enough people do because they have a large budget and a lot of supporters.
One lady in my office goes around touting her dog rescue almost daily. Hitting people up for money. She has one dog! One dog she has been fostering for years and she spends every day fund-raising so she can have a pet and not pay for its food or vet care. She probabyl pays herself to take care of the dog too. She is at every dog event selling crap to support her rescue. Putting flyers in our break room every week. I ask her for help with a dog rescue situation and she says oh she has the one dog that's all she can do. Oh she cant distribute the dog needing home to her email network, that is too much work!! She couldn't do anything because her one dog is so overwhelming and the President of her rescue (herself) has to give permission before she can assist any other dogs. I am sure the one dog she has came from a bad situation but in my opinion she has no right to call herself a rescue but since she saved a dog everyone bows down to her efforts. Obviously people will disagree with me about that too but like I said everyone's entitled to their opinions.
WHY do people need to fight about this?
Being a small flock owner who treats her Birds like pets-- I agreee, it was a rescue---
but as someone who grew up around farm animals (food animals) I also understand where commercial farmers come from....they do not attach emotions to their animals, and would see this as a waste not a rescue (tho I personally dissagree)
BUT: That does not make it acceptable for those who do not understand the emotional attachment to consistantly "attack" those who do... which seems to happen alot lately.
PLEASE refer to the rules--
if you don't agree with a post-- fine, we all have our differing opinions--
Those who are "commercial" farmers will never agree with or understand those of us who feel that a life was saved in this case--
either way--
It would be so much better if people would ignore posts they do not agree with if opinions were not asked for....
and if people would not use other folks posts to "blow off steam" or just to try to show "I'm right-- you're wrong"... about how or why they do things.
There are allways at LEAST 2 sides (often more) to these type of arguments-- and no one ever wins, or changes the opinions of "the other side"...
If you can't say "Congrats" or "Well done"... why not just let it be???
Being a small flock owner who treats her Birds like pets-- I agreee, it was a rescue---
but as someone who grew up around farm animals (food animals) I also understand where commercial farmers come from....they do not attach emotions to their animals, and would see this as a waste not a rescue (tho I personally dissagree)
BUT: That does not make it acceptable for those who do not understand the emotional attachment to consistantly "attack" those who do... which seems to happen alot lately.
PLEASE refer to the rules--
if you don't agree with a post-- fine, we all have our differing opinions--
Those who are "commercial" farmers will never agree with or understand those of us who feel that a life was saved in this case--
either way--
It would be so much better if people would ignore posts they do not agree with if opinions were not asked for....
and if people would not use other folks posts to "blow off steam" or just to try to show "I'm right-- you're wrong"... about how or why they do things.
There are allways at LEAST 2 sides (often more) to these type of arguments-- and no one ever wins, or changes the opinions of "the other side"...
If you can't say "Congrats" or "Well done"... why not just let it be???
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Who is attacking whom now?!?!?!?
If you read my original post I stated that this thread was an illustration of the difference between the Pet and Production sides of this forum. It was intended to show that there are people that have a different opinion.
If you feel it was an attack that is your opinion but it was not my intent. In fact please illustrate the words that I used in my post that are attack like!
Jim
Who is attacking whom now?!?!?!?
If you read my original post I stated that this thread was an illustration of the difference between the Pet and Production sides of this forum. It was intended to show that there are people that have a different opinion.
If you feel it was an attack that is your opinion but it was not my intent. In fact please illustrate the words that I used in my post that are attack like!
Jim
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