Sebastopol goose not feeling well

[The goose girl]

Thank you for the update - I'm so happy to hear Ginger is doing better.

I agree with you, the pinioning shouldn't be able to cause her distress now. Pinioning is banished here in Denmark, but that's because the process causes pain - they used to do it without any kind of anesthesia or disinfectant.

 

[pedalgirl]

Here is Fred in the front & Ginger in the background



Here are my Buff Geese 7 years old now - Clyde in the front & Bonnie in the background.



Here is a picture of my crew ducks, geese & chickens; includes 3 Chinese brown geese, Ping, Pong & Ball (my husband named them)

 

[pedalgirl]

Thank you for the update - I'm so happy to hear Ginger is doing better.

I agree with you, the pinioning shouldn't be able to cause her distress now. Pinioning is banished here in Denmark, but that's because the process causes pain - they used to do it without any kind of anesthesia or disinfectant.

I find it to be a barbaric practice. I refused to sell some ducks to a guy in another state when he told me he was going to pinion their wings. He asked how I kept them from flying, I said I trim one wing's flight feathers and by the time it grows back out they know where home is and if the do fly it is for very short distances around the neighborhood. He wanted to do them as adults, I said no, big or little I will keep the birds.

 

[CelticOaksFarm]

pinioning doesnt cause a wing to stick out at odd angles. Its the removal of the last joint of the wing (wing tip) to prevent flight. Sebastopols dont and cant fly so they wouldnt be pinioned. If they were pinioned it would be obvious when they extend their wings as one side would have a large part missing.

Sebastopols can have a condition called Twisted Wing Tip, it is only found in this breed and is from the curly feather gene. The last joint will turn and will result in feathers sticking out oddly. There is no cure, never try and wrap the wings to correct it.

There is also Angel Wing (i call it hitch hikers thumb) and can be found in all waterfowl. When super young it can often be mended by wrapping to hold in place and give support until the joint and feathers finish their growth.


ooh and side note, Fred is a curly sebastopol of nice quality, good neck, lovely feathers, nice head. Ginger is a smooth sebastopol, (not currently accepted by the APA for showing) but is a lovely girl. That vet should be reported for telling a client to put down a goose because it wasnt show quality.

 

[Miss Lydia]

Here is Fred in the front & Ginger in the background



Here are my Buff Geese 7 years old now - Clyde in the front & Bonnie in the background.



Here is a picture of my crew ducks, geese & chickens; includes 3 Chinese brown geese, Ping, Pong & Ball (my husband named them)

Beautiful pics.

 

[pedalgirl]

pinioning doesn't cause a wing to stick out at odd angles. Its the removal of the last joint of the wing (wing tip) to prevent flight. Sebastopols dint and cant fly so they wouldn't be pinioned. If they were pinioned it would be obvious when they extend their wings as one side would have a large part missing.

Sebastopols can have a condition called Twisted Wing Tip, it is only found in this breed and is from the curly feather gene. The last joint will turn and will result in feathers sticking out oddly. There is no cure, never try and wrap the wings to correct it.

There is also Angel Wing (i call it hitch hikers thumb) and can be found in all waterfowl. When super young it can often be mended by wrapping to hold in place and give support until the joint and feathers finish their growth.


ooh and side note, Fred is a curly sebastopol of nice quality, good neck, lovely feathers, nice head. Ginger is a smooth sebastopol, (not currently accepted by the APA for showing) but is a lovely girl. That vet should be reported for telling a client to put down a goose because it wasn't show quality.

Thanks for the information on the wings, Ginger has one wing that pokes out and both of Fred's do, harder to see because of his curls. I have had ducks with angle wing in the past and the whole wing is off. I think it might be the twisted wing tip affecting these two, since the wing at the shoulder is positioned correctly. I do not see anything missing when they stretch their wings out, just that the affected wings don't open all the way. The vet said it was from a bad Pinion job, but I don't know if he really has a clue what is wrong with the wings. He seemed to be an advocate of high quality livestock and culling out the bad. He has judged livestock shows before for what ever that is worth. I do respect his opinion to a point, I know some breeders cull out the weak or bad quality because they are trying to raise a high quality show animal. But I think there is enough room in the world and people willing to take the others as pets.

Thanks for the positive remarks on Fred & Ginger, they are the sweetest blue eyed babies. They eat out of my hand and walk up the porch steps and wait by the door for someone to come out and visit. They do leave a small mess on the porch though

Of all my geese they are the most people friendly, wanting to visit strangers and will eat apple from kids hands as long as I am there with them.

 

[pedalgirl]

Just wanted to post an update on Ginger. She is doing great, she laid 5 eggs this year, I gave her 4 American buff eggs to sit on and she hatched 1 egg. I can't determine yet if it is a buff goose or a Sebastopol or a mix of both. Yep ginger fell in love with Clyde. Bonnie and Clyde hatched 2 eggs and all are doing great. Pictures to be posted soon.