**~~>>Second Annual Cinco de Mayo Turkey Hatchathon<<~~**all poultry welcome!

[yinepu]

Quote: could be.. or could be they aren't getting a high enough protein %.. you can try giving them mealworms and such to up the protein a bit... and see if they are interested

 

[gryeyes]

I know I could look it up, but maybe somebody else in this thread is also curious about "flip." it sounds like another one of those descriptive disorders, like "angel wing" with ducks.

So, what is flip - I already know it can be caused by too much protein, but what IS it and what are the symptoms?

Thanks ever so much...

 

[yinepu]

I know I could look it up, but maybe somebody else in this thread is also curious about "flip." it sounds like another one of those descriptive disorders, like "angel wing" with ducks.

So, what is flip - I already know it can be caused by too much protein, but what IS it and what are the symptoms?

Thanks ever so much...

basically the birds act fine.. then "flip" over and look as if you have pulled their legs straight out behind them.. and are dead

I never saw any symptoms other than seeing the chickens look fine one minute.. only to come back a half hour later to them sprawled out.. flipped over and dead

IF they did show a slight symptom of impending death.. I never noticed it

 

[yinepu]

updated the turkey page with info on blackhead...

I'll clean it up a bit later on when I have a bit more time

https://www.backyardchickens.com/a/turkey-incubation-and-hatching-guide


lol.. i have my guides/articles all linked in my signature... but figured I would put it here anyway

 

[yinepu]

Quote: found this for you .. i never noticed the "symptoms".. so looks like I learned something new today.. lol

from here:
http://www.acornorganic.org/pdf/poultrymeatprofile.pdf


"Another metabolic disorder of the meat king is the condition
known as flip-over, where the bird has a heart attack and flips
over dead.
Fat deposits build up around the heart and cause a
heart attack. Males appear to be affected more than females
and usually the faster growing birds have the highest incidence.

This normally happens when birds are around 3
pounds and later when the birds are near slaughter weight.
Stress or overheating increases the incidence of flip-over. A
bird that has reached a critical stage of this condition will
appear dopey, be nonactive, and have a bluish comb. When
this condition is noticed it is best to do emergency slaughter.


There are several ways to reduce the likelihood of
metabolic disorders: allow the birds to have abundant
exercise; do not overcrowd them; do not feed them an
excessively high energy diet (some commercial rations have a
very high energy content); keep the birds slightly hungry
when they enter the fast growing phase (three weeks old and
up; the meat king is not as cannibalistic as the layer so one
can keep them a bit hungry); and ensure the ration is high in
vitamins and lower in protein (approximately 18 percent; this
slows down growth and reduces the chance of flip-over)."

 

[gryeyes]

I know I could look it up, but maybe somebody else in this thread is also curious about "flip." it sounds like another one of those descriptive disorders, like "angel wing" with ducks.


So, what is flip - I already know it can be caused by too much protein, but what IS it and what are the symptoms?


Thanks ever so much...

basically the birds act fine.. then "flip" over and look as if you have pulled their legs straight out behind them.. and are dead

I never saw any symptoms other than seeing the chickens look fine one minute.. only to come back a half hour later to them sprawled out.. flipped over and dead

IF they did show a slight symptom of impending death.. I never noticed it

Well, that is certainly descriptive, all right. Except the word sounds far less lethal! Dang. Thank you very much.

 

[yinepu]

Quote: Well, that is certainly descriptive, all right. Except the word sounds far less lethal! Dang. Thank you very much.

lol.. i know.. "flip" sounds like they are rehearsing for cirque du soleil!

 

[ChooksChick]

Quote: Yes, they can be shipped, but rates can be as low as 15% success, depending on the birds' diets. I feed fish and eggs during breeding season to augment proteins.

Quote: I'm going to have to take a look!!!

Quote:
I highly recommend getting local if you can! There are some great threads on peas, and old posts by deerman give a wealth of info. We lost him to cancer about a year and a half ago, but his wisdom persists! All of my birds are from his stock.

Haven't been felling very well, so I haven't had the chance to post that I have 8 Palms and 1 Midget White from Lotsapaints. Thanks Denny!!

I need to look up pics, cause the girls want to know what's in the eggs.

Hope you get to feeling better soon!

For anyone wondering if you have to separate your chicks and poults as they get bigger, I have always brooded mine together the whole time. In fact my grown turkeys live with my adult chickens full time. I just feed the whole flock gamebird food. I haven't noticed any liver problems or chickens growing too fast. The only thing you have to worry about is if you have blackhead in your area when it comes to keeping them all together. We don't have it here so they all are in one pen. BTW, if you haven't raised turkeys before, the heritage breeds can fly really well and they like to roost high. I don't have any trees so I haven't had to get them out of a tree and I am thankful that they haven't discovered the rafters in the barn.

I do clip the hen's wings to try to keep them in the pen though.

I deliberately don't clip wings because if mine do get in a scrape with a coyote or raccoon (or bobcat, etc) I want them to be able to fly up in the trees...it makes it harder on my containing them and making them do as I wish, but at least they have a defense if I'm not around. I don't know what I'd do if they didn't have trees around!

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In Kansas we only test birds 16+ weeks, so chicks don't count into the mix. Any birds/chicks/eggs that come from NPIP flocks are grandfathered until the next test cycle. Non-tested must be kept separate until 16 weeks and then tested for the license to apply to them.

 

[Farmerboy16]

I am in! Got Bourbon Reds and Red Slate eggs from my flock! Woot!

 

[gryeyes]

I posted this back on another thread in October 2011, and again in December 2011 on my "Retired" thread. But I'm awfully proud of it and wanted to share it here. Not a sonnet, haiku or limerick, but a chicken version of "Piano Man."

It's five A. M. on a Saturday
The rooster and hens shuffle out
There's a biddy below the favorite roost
Fluffing feathers and bawking aloud.

She clucks, Son, can you give me a boost?
I'm not really sure of my wings anymore
But the roost way up high is where I belong
When I was a pullet of yours.

Help me earn rank, youre the Rooster man
Tell those young hens I'm alright.
Well, everyone's pecking around in the dirt
And you keep the flock really tight.

Now Champ at the door is my own little chick
He brings me some treats for free
And he's quick with the bugs or juiciest grubs
But there's someplace that he'd rather be.

He says, Mom, there are hens outside in the pens,
As the chirp fell away from his beak.
Well I'm sure I could catch just a couple of them
If I could just practice my sneak.

Now Rusty is a trusty young cockerel
Who stops some of the burgeoning strife
And he's scratchin' with Davy (who tastes good with gravy
Once he comes to the end of his life).

And the pullets are practicing Egg Songs
As the broodies pluck feathers to bone
Yes, they're sharing the best of all of the nests
But it's better than laying alone.

Help me earn rank, you're the Rooster man
Tell those young hens I'm alright
Well, everyone's pecking around in the dirt
And you keep the flock really tight.

It's the happiest flock on a Saturday
And the Head Rooster wing dances with style
Cause he knows that it'm me that brings them the feed
To turn upside down beaks into smiles.

And the coop is empty of pullets and hens
And the flock, well, it clucks very clear
As they scratch in the weeds looking for seeds
To bok, This is the best place right here!