Senior hen ~ very messy bottom

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New to group ~ hello! So thankful for everything I’ve learned here the last few years. Hoping for some guidance. Brief history first.

In 2018, we adopted a flock of Australorps from a small working farm down the road bc they were planning to cull them and we had an empty coop. Because they were raised for eggs on a working farm, they were never socialized or touched. I’ve tried to get them more used to being handled, and though I can tell they know and love me, handling them still *really* stresses them out. The 3 we have left are either 9 or 10 years old, and limited handling makes caring for them when they get sick tricky.
Lola (hen of concern) started with a slightly messy bottom a week or so ago. She and another hen had just started laying again (I know!!) and it looked like a little dirty egg poo. One is laying normal sized eggs, one is laying pretty small eggs.
Sunday night, my husband turned coop shavings and said there was some yellow stuff that looked like egg yolk under where she roosts. We got a lot of rain yesterday ~ her bum looked fluffier and like she had been cleaning it. She’s been acting normal and continuing to lay, so I decided to keep a close eye on her, hoping she was working through whatever was going on.
Today I saw her go poop. It was her typical poop ~ small, brown and smelly ~ looks like cecal poop on Chicken Chick site. When she pushed and her bum feathers parted, I saw just how messy she is. There’s one big dirty thing hanging below vent ~ teardrop shaped, small at the top and round the on bottom. I don’t know if an egg cracked inside her or if it was one of those weird, yucky eggs. There wasn’t any yellow discharge, but area looked a little wet. She’s acting normal, eating and drinking, comb bright red.
I know I should bathe her, but it’s too cold outside and there is *no* chance I can bring her inside (agreement with hubby). Plus, the stress. Only avian vet in area is a solid 45-50 minutes away. Last visit cost $350 ~ to examine and then euthanize hen. On a year long, unpaid medical leave from work ~ can’t afford to bring Lola. Plus, the stress.

I don’t know what it might be or what to do. Any suggestions? I love these 3 little hens so much.
Thank you!!
 
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Sometimes when they come back into lay they can have glitches while their bodies figure it all out, so it may just be that. At their ages, things can happen too. If she's laying soft shelled or no shelled eggs then a calcium supplement might help. A calcium citrate +D (citracal) once a day, see if it helps. Keep an eye on her, make sure she continues to act normally. Look at droppings under where she roosts at night in the morning, see how those look.
 
Thanks Coach723!
She's laying eggs with totally normal shells ~ is it typical to have a soft/no shell egg between normal-shelled eggs? They're on layer pellets too ~ would you still consider additional calcium? I know too much calcium is a concern for older hens.
 
If she's laid normally again, then I would just watch. It could just be a glitch. If it becomes a regular thing, then it could be calcium, or an issue with the shell gland for which there wouldn't be anything you could do really. The small eggs are also something that can happen in new layers or in a hen just coming back into lay. Just make sure they have oyster shell available all the time in a separate feeder so they can take what they need. Needs can vary at different times of year, and in different birds.
If you are feeding layer feed, it has extra calcium in it. At their ages it might be good to consider switching to a flock raiser/all flock type feed and just providing the oyster shell (many mix that with left over crushed egg shells to make it more palatable) separately. That way they can take the calcium they need but won't get too much from the feed if they are laying less, or eventually stop with age.
 
I was able to get a video of her pooping (they’re pretty used to me following their bums around with my phone :lol:). There’s a red thing I’m concerned about.
I also attached a couple of pictures ~ one of her poop and one of her being a chicken with her buddy (Lola is on the left).
Thanks so much 💝

Is there a way to upload a video? I’m only getting the option for photos when I try to attach it.
 

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Our wifi is having a very bad day & we have no cell reception ~ I thought the pictures eventually went through. I’ll work on video.
I took a screenshot of video so you can see red thing ~ it looks like a prolapsed vent to me. Ugh. I will try to upload. Fingers crossed you can see it!
 

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Yes, that's a prolapse. There are various reasons it can happen. You need to keep that tissue moist and keep trying to put it back in (hold it for awhile each time) until it stays. My last one took 3 days before it would stay in. Using sugar or honey will help swelling, the honey will help keep it moist. You can also use hydrocortisone cream to help shrink it. I would keep her in a crate or other safe place inside so you can monitor and take care of it. It's a risk for being pecked at (others are attracted to the red tissue) and if they damage it, it will be much, much worse.
Two links below, one for more treatment info, and the second one has a picture of a sling to help hold it in if needed.
https://the-chicken-chick.com/prolapse-vent-causes-treatment-graphic/
https://www.backyardchickens.com/threads/successful-vent-prolapse-treatment-with-photos.1101406/
 
When I watch the video, the red thing is there when she pushes poo out, then seems to go back in. Does it still sound like a prolapse?
I can't go someplace to upload the video until tomorrow (not enough mbps here) ~ I'll do it as soon as I can.
Thanks again Coach723 ~ the girls and I appreciate it.
 
It sounds like she's prolapsing when she pushes and then it's going back in on it's own. I would stick a finger (you can wear a nitrile glove, and lube it) in her vent 1 -2 inches, see if you can feel an egg. She may also be constipated. Some coconut oil might help with that. If you freeze it and break it into pieces, she will probably eat it, they usually like it. Or you can stick it in her beak and she'll swallow it. Try to get a Tbsp in her at a time if you can. The worry is that one of these times it might not go back in. If the other birds see it before you do, it could be damaged badly enough that infection is likely and she couldn't recover.
I would still separate her until you have a better idea what might be going on. Better safe than sorry.
 

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