Shadrach's Ex Battery and Rescued chickens thread.

[MrsNorthie]

I'm still struggling with American.

I can recall when I decided that there was no hope. I read the word "gotton".
I thought it was a typing error. I read it again in other posts. The end came when I checked an English dictionary and found gotton can be used instead of "got" these days.
I mean why would one.

I never knew that, I guess I am too old for modern American-English.

 

[BDutch]

GTG BRB TTYL.

Where did you go?
Are you back again?
Whats is it you want to talk about?

Can’t wait until my cataracts get bad enough! Those implantable lenses are tha bomb.

The clinics changed the moment to operate cataract. They don’t wait till your lens gets hard anymore. So if your eyesight is getting blurry you don’t have to wait any longer.

So he stays for now and I will do my level best to follow all the great advice that @Shadrach and others here have given so he grows into a great rooster.
Wish me luck with that!

 

[Appalachickens]

I'm still struggling with American.

I can recall when I decided that there was no hope. I read the word "gotton".
I thought it was a typing error. I read it again in other posts. The end came when I checked an English dictionary and found gotton can be used instead of "got" these days.
I mean why would one.

Follow-up serious question - do Brits use forgotten or just forgot?

 

[Shadrach]

My alerts aren't working properly since the last forum software update.
It's not that much of an issue because I check the threads I'm actively following but it would be nice to have them working.

Two and a half hours today. Dry and grey at 14C max.
Sylph was in the nest box when I arrived. She came off the nest to eat and went back to lay her egg in the nest box with a bit of encouragement. I found the shell of one of their eggs in the run, but it wasn't today's egg.

Mow and I waiting for Sylph to lay her egg so we could all go out on to the field together. I prefer that they go out together on the two pairs of eyes may be safer. Mow seems to agree because she doesn't hassle me to open the gate to the field.

Looked a nice shot in the view finder but didn't come out that well. I need to make more use of the post processing capabilities of the camera.

Earlier this year I was concerned that Sylph and Mow weren't eating enough, despite finding their crops full at roosting time. I came to this conclusion by looking at how much droppings there were when I cleaned up. Whatever caused the minimal mess it's over now judging by the piles I've been scrapping out recently. I can't believe they eaten up to say four times the amount which is what the droppings would suggest, so there is something else going on. Storing more in their crop rather than digesting it directly perhaps due to the longer nights.

 

[Shadrach]

Follow-up serious question - do Brits use forgotten or just forgot?

I forgot to turn the lights off.
I have forgotten my name.

It's one of those depends things. I'm sure there's a grammar rule for it. Past and present tense but I can think of exceptions in current use.

 

[Appalachickens]

I forgot to turn the lights off.
I have forgotten my name.

It's one of those depends things. I'm sure there's a grammar rule for it. Past and present tense but I can think of exceptions in current use.

Similar then. I think gotten is always with have (I’ve gotten only good grades) and got without (I got good grades).

 

[BDutch]

Did she get run over a lot when you did it on the highway?

Max 9 times (cats have 9 lives you know)

Haha, no, the patio was not portable. It remained affixed to the back of the house.

You spoiled my answer with this reply.

I don't need/use eye drops, my vision is just getting worse. I spend 10+/- hours a day on a computer, with 3 screens for work, for the last 20 years. :-(

My husbands eyesight was getting worse the past 1-2 years. The optometrist gave him new, starker lenses to compensate. But after some time it got worse again. He didn’t trust the advice to buy stronger lenses again and went to a second optometrist for advice. He concluded it probably was cataract and urged my husband to make an appointment at the eye-clinic. There were 2 intakes for a solid measurement and explanation. The operation took only 10 minutes. The pain was not bad at all and was gone after a day. He’s very happy with his 1th lens and clearly seesa difference in color. Through the new lens all things look much brighter than through the other eye.
@Shadrach After the operation you need to administer eyedrops for several weeks, starting with 4x a day. This might be inconvenient if you live alone and want to visit the allotment on flexible times. Try to practice with family or friends the first time.

 

[MrsNorthie]

Similar then. I think gotten is always with have (I’ve gotten only good grades) and got without (I got good grades).

"gotten" just never sounded right to me and I grew up with it. I have been sitting here trying to say the word in my head and it just sounds wrong so I looked it up:
The word "gotten" is actually a proper part of English, particularly in American English, though it can sound odd or informal to some ears. Here's why it's used:

1. Historical Usage: "Gotten" is the past participle of "get" in American English, used with "have" to indicate possession or acquisition (e.g., "I have gotten a new car"). It dates back to Middle English and was common in British English too, but over time, British English largely shifted to using "got" as the past participle, while American English retained "gotten."
2. Distinction in Meaning: In American English, "gotten" often implies the process of obtaining something, while "got" can simply mean possession. For example:
   • "I have gotten a gift" (I received or acquired a gift).
   • "I have got a gift" (I possess a gift).This subtle distinction makes "gotten" useful for clarity in certain contexts.
3. Regional Preference: "Gotten" is standard in American English but less common in British English, where it can sound archaic or overly formal. If someone finds it odd, it might be due to exposure to British or other non-American English varieties where "got" dominates.
4. Informal Tone: "Gotten" can sound casual or conversational, which might make it feel less "proper" to some, especially in formal writing. However, it's grammatically correct and widely accepted in American English, even in formal contexts when used appropriately.

If it feels off to you, it could be because of regional differences or because "got" is often overused in casual speech, making "gotten" stand out. But rest assured, it's legitimate American English, rooted in history and still widely used.

So I blame the Egg Thief....

 

[Mother of Chaos]

"gotten" just never sounded right to me and I grew up with it. I have been sitting here trying to say the word in my head and it just sounds wrong so I looked it up:
The word "gotten" is actually a proper part of English, particularly in American English, though it can sound odd or informal to some ears. Here's why it's used:

1. Historical Usage: "Gotten" is the past participle of "get" in American English, used with "have" to indicate possession or acquisition (e.g., "I have gotten a new car"). It dates back to Middle English and was common in British English too, but over time, British English largely shifted to using "got" as the past participle, while American English retained "gotten."
2. Distinction in Meaning: In American English, "gotten" often implies the process of obtaining something, while "got" can simply mean possession. For example:
   • "I have gotten a gift" (I received or acquired a gift).
   • "I have got a gift" (I possess a gift).This subtle distinction makes "gotten" useful for clarity in certain contexts.
3. Regional Preference: "Gotten" is standard in American English but less common in British English, where it can sound archaic or overly formal. If someone finds it odd, it might be due to exposure to British or other non-American English varieties where "got" dominates.
4. Informal Tone: "Gotten" can sound casual or conversational, which might make it feel less "proper" to some, especially in formal writing. However, it's grammatically correct and widely accepted in American English, even in formal contexts when used appropriately.

If it feels off to you, it could be because of regional differences or because "got" is often overused in casual speech, making "gotten" stand out. But rest assured, it's legitimate American English, rooted in history and still widely used.

So I blame the Egg Thief....

Yes, #2 is the critical difference.

I was amused at #4, because in my (admittedly ancient) grammar upbringing, "I've gotten" felt very proper, and "I've got" was sort of unlearned. - unless it's the version of #2, "I've got allergies to everything on the planet," vs. "I've gotten 4 more boxes of Kleenex, and I'm already almost out."

Even with that example, I would say, "I have allergies to the entire planet," not "I've got..."

OK, so now I have "He's Got the Whole World in His Hands" stuck in my head. gaaah

 

[MrsNorthie]

Yes, #2 is the critical difference.

I was amused at #4, because in my (admittedly ancient) grammar upbringing, "I've gotten" felt very proper, and "I've got" was sort of unlearned. - unless it's the version of #2, "I've got allergies to everything on the planet," vs. "I've gotten 4 more boxes of Kleenex, and I'm already almost out."

Even with that example, I would say, "I have allergies to the entire planet," not "I've got..."

OK, so now I have "He's Got the Whole World in His Hands" stuck in my head. gaaah

I used to get ridiculed for speaking properly, even by my own family, I was actually accused of being a snob (although sometimes more rude terms were used.) because I did not use contractions or slang most of my childhood and teen years, but it was just the way I spoke.

I spent most of my early life interacting primarily with adults, and a LOT of that time was with my great grandmother and great grandfather who are Scottish and Welsh. I think that this is why I do not have a lot of conversations outside of work or the Egg Thief, I have tried to adopt the "normal" phraseology, but it just gets all mixed up to the point that nothing sounds quite right to my ear.