Shadrach's Ex Battery and Rescued chickens thread.

[tranquiliti]

Lurking tax!! This photo is almost 2 months old.

“Junior,” aka “Lindy Jr.”/“Charles Lindbird Junior” did not win the cutest pets photo contest at my workplace—so here is his half-brother “Lav”.

 

[MrsNorthie]

Speak/write/post as suits you best. Clearly this is a wide-ranging group with a willingness to dive into edifying rabbit holes. I'm also seeing a willingness to ask questions and take questions asked as genuine, with correspondingly genuine responses, albeit infused with humor. Personally, I enjoy the diverse speech and topics.

This is a great group!

 

[MrsNorthie]

Lurking tax!! This photo is almost 2 months old.
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“Junior,” aka “Lindy Jr.”/“Charles Lindbird Junior” did not win the cutest pets photo contest at my workplace—so here is his half-brother “Lav”.

We have been talking about getting Guineas, but we are not sure that we can contain them enough to keep them from being a road hazard or pestering our neighbors.

 

[Appalachickens]

Yes, #2 is the critical difference.

I was amused at #4, because in my (admittedly ancient) grammar upbringing, "I've gotten" felt very proper, and "I've got" was sort of unlearned. - unless it's the version of #2, "I've got allergies to everything on the planet," vs. "I've gotten 4 more boxes of Kleenex, and I'm already almost out."

Even with that example, I would say, "I have allergies to the entire planet," not "I've got..."

OK, so now I have "He's Got the Whole World in His Hands" stuck in my head. gaaah

I hadn’t thought of examples that use have with got that indicate possession, but that’s true. I don’t often use it that way and would also likely just use have.

 

[Appalachickens]

We have been talking about getting Guineas, but we are not sure that we can contain them enough to keep them from being a road hazard or pestering our neighbors.

The feral band of guineas that roams my son’s and the surrounding properties are LOUD, but everyone there seems to be cool with it.

 

[Appalachickens]

"gotten" just never sounded right to me and I grew up with it. I have been sitting here trying to say the word in my head and it just sounds wrong so I looked it up:
The word "gotten" is actually a proper part of English, particularly in American English, though it can sound odd or informal to some ears. Here's why it's used:

1. Historical Usage: "Gotten" is the past participle of "get" in American English, used with "have" to indicate possession or acquisition (e.g., "I have gotten a new car"). It dates back to Middle English and was common in British English too, but over time, British English largely shifted to using "got" as the past participle, while American English retained "gotten."
2. Distinction in Meaning: In American English, "gotten" often implies the process of obtaining something, while "got" can simply mean possession. For example:
   • "I have gotten a gift" (I received or acquired a gift).
   • "I have got a gift" (I possess a gift).This subtle distinction makes "gotten" useful for clarity in certain contexts.
3. Regional Preference: "Gotten" is standard in American English but less common in British English, where it can sound archaic or overly formal. If someone finds it odd, it might be due to exposure to British or other non-American English varieties where "got" dominates.
4. Informal Tone: "Gotten" can sound casual or conversational, which might make it feel less "proper" to some, especially in formal writing. However, it's grammatically correct and widely accepted in American English, even in formal contexts when used appropriately.

If it feels off to you, it could be because of regional differences or because "got" is often overused in casual speech, making "gotten" stand out. But rest assured, it's legitimate American English, rooted in history and still widely used.

So I blame the Egg Thief....

For #3, I went to a British boarding school and gotten still sounds more correct to me!

 

[Perris]

on the two Englishes (?? Englishs looks worse so I'll go with the -es plural) I found this, which might amuse
https://stroppyeditor.wordpress.com...-this-word-back-and-the-uk-probably-will-too/

It's quite long, so for those with TLDR inclinations, here's a short quote from quite a long way in
"I don’t think any British usage guide has yet endorsed gotten, and for the moment that seems fair – although the reason has changed. A century ago, the word would have seemed affectedly archaic (Henry Fowler’s judgement in 1926); today, the risk is that it comes across as affectedly American. How easily we forget our history."

 

[Appalachickens]

on the two Englishes (?? Englishs looks worse so I'll go with the -es plural) I found this, which might amuse
https://stroppyeditor.wordpress.com...-this-word-back-and-the-uk-probably-will-too/

It's quite long, so for those with TLDR inclinations, here's a short quote from quite a long way in
"I don’t think any British usage guide has yet endorsed gotten, and for the moment that seems fair – although the reason has changed. A century ago, the word would have seemed affectedly archaic (Henry Fowler’s judgement in 1926); today, the risk is that it comes across as affectedly American. How easily we forget our history."

Affectedly American. Thats funny.