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[acid_chipmunk]

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Acid, are you seeing any black leakage in your buff laced Polish? I had a recent conversation with Dan Powell regarding this in the BLBs.

We don't have actual leakage, but we do find the occasional black feather. We have plucked most of them and they haven't come back. We really only have one girl that it is as problem in, and her lacing isn't real great to begin with and her color is a little dark for me, so we are going to breed her a little bit and see what the babies look like. If they don't get any better, we will sell her.

 

[sonew123]

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Yep a good thing...that was the DM's goal...that unit has potential to make the company a lot of money..from what I am being told I have to do some cleaning house...some key positions filled by people that don't want to get with the "program"...they will have to get onboard or will end up canning themselves..prolly gonna shock you guys but I can be a real s.o.b.

Oh, and congrats on the promo

Sounds like they want an enforcer. Did the asst. meat manager get canned?

hahahahaha~~~

 

[dak]

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Acid, are you seeing any black leakage in your buff laced Polish? I had a recent conversation with Dan Powell regarding this in the BLBs.

We don't have actual leakage, but we do find the occasional black feather. We have plucked most of them and they haven't come back. We really only have one girl that it is as problem in, and her lacing isn't real great to begin with and her color is a little dark for me, so we are going to breed her a little bit and see what the babies look like. If they don't get any better, we will sell her.

Dan seemed to think the black leakage is fairly common with the dominant white gene even when homozygous. There is a bit of a discussion on the cochin thread today about it being a "leaky" gene. To my limited knowledge dominant white isn't present in cochins yet. That may change soon.

 

[acid_chipmunk]

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We don't have actual leakage, but we do find the occasional black feather. We have plucked most of them and they haven't come back. We really only have one girl that it is as problem in, and her lacing isn't real great to begin with and her color is a little dark for me, so we are going to breed her a little bit and see what the babies look like. If they don't get any better, we will sell her.

Dan seemed to think the black leakage is fairly common with the dominant white gene even when homozygous. There is a bit of a discussion on the cochin thread today about it being a "leaky" gene. To my limited knowledge dominant white isn't present in cochins yet. That may change soon.

I really need someone to sit me down and explain genes to me. I can read and read, but unless someone actually explains it, I don't get it. Can you explain it to me a little in "stupid people" terms?

 

[acid_chipmunk]

Stupid double post

 

[dak]

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Dan seemed to think the black leakage is fairly common with the dominant white gene even when homozygous. There is a bit of a discussion on the cochin thread today about it being a "leaky" gene. To my limited knowledge dominant white isn't present in cochins yet. That may change soon.

I really need someone to sit me down and explain genes to me. I can read and read, but unless someone actually explains it, I don't get it. Can you explain it to me a little "stupid people" terms?

Not sure what part I need to explain, but homozygous means you have two identical copies of a gene, whether dominant or recessive (Co/Co for columbian). Heterozygous means the copies are different (CO/co). With dominant genes you generally only need one copy to see the resulting phenetype. With recessives, two copies are needed. Phenotype is what you see expressed. Genotype is what actual genes are present. The phenotype may be Black, but that could be hiding a recessive.

So, with dominant White you should only need one copy of the gene to get the resulting "White" phenotype (though this is not quite true). With recessive White, you should need two copies.

That being said, some of the BLB chicks that made it to lockdown, but didn't hatch, had a range of down color. Per Dan, the pure cream colored chicks were homozygous for dominant white, the cream with black were heterozygous, There were also some brown/partridge chicks that would have been golden laced.

I may have just confused you further. Sorry.

 

[acid_chipmunk]

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I really need someone to sit me down and explain genes to me. I can read and read, but unless someone actually explains it, I don't get it. Can you explain it to me a little "stupid people" terms?

Not sure what part I need to explain, but homozygous means you have two identical copies of a gene, whether dominant or recessive (Co/Co for columbian). Heterozygous means the copies are different (CO/co). With dominant genes you generally only need one copy to see the resulting phenetype. With recessives, two copies are needed. Phenotype is what you see expressed. Genotype is what actual genes are present. The phenotype may be Black, but that could be hiding a recessive.

So, with dominant White you should only need one copy of the gene to get the resulting "White" phenotype (though this is not quite true). With recessive White, you should need two copies.

That being said, some of the BLB chicks that made it to lockdown, but didn't hatch, had a range of down color. Per Dan, the pure cream colored chicks were homozygous for dominant white, the cream with black were heterozygous, There were also some brown/partridge chicks that would have been golden laced.

I may have just confused you further. Sorry.

No, you didn't confuse me. I get dominant and recessive, it was the phenotype and genotype that I didn't understand.

So with the BLB, I know I am way behind on this, what are you using to make them if you are getting the homozygous and heterozygous chicks? And, would the homozygous cream colored ones have been BL with no leakage? (I guess that is speculation at this point, though)

 

[dak]

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Not sure what part I need to explain, but homozygous means you have two identical copies of a gene, whether dominant or recessive (Co/Co for columbian). Heterozygous means the copies are different (CO/co). With dominant genes you generally only need one copy to see the resulting phenetype. With recessives, two copies are needed. Phenotype is what you see expressed. Genotype is what actual genes are present. The phenotype may be Black, but that could be hiding a recessive.

So, with dominant White you should only need one copy of the gene to get the resulting "White" phenotype (though this is not quite true). With recessive White, you should need two copies.

That being said, some of the BLB chicks that made it to lockdown, but didn't hatch, had a range of down color. Per Dan, the pure cream colored chicks were homozygous for dominant white, the cream with black were heterozygous, There were also some brown/partridge chicks that would have been golden laced.

I may have just confused you further. Sorry.

No, you didn't confuse me. I get dominant and recessive, it was the phenotype and genotype that I didn't understand.

So with the BLB, I know I am way behind on this, what are you using to make them if you are getting the homozygous and heterozygous chicks? And, would the homozygous cream colored ones have been BL with no leakage? (I guess that is speculation at this point, though)

I believe Dan has both golden laced and buff laced in this particular pen I recieved my eggs from. Luckily enough, the two chicks I hatched were both homozygous for dominant white. I really need to ask him what the heterozygotes look like as adults, but I figure I'll know soon enough when I cross them with the Golden laced Cochins. If you look on the Greenfire site they have a pretty picture of the three laced varieties of Brahmas in one pic. I believe Big M is working on Blue laced Reds also.

Do the polish people cross the gold and buff laced?

These were the two that hatched

 

[1mommahen]

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I have one 5 minutes, it's a section inside the Hallmark store. The full blown Vera store is 20 minutes away! Road trip??????????????????

 

[sonew123]

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I really need someone to sit me down and explain genes to me. I can read and read, but unless someone actually explains it, I don't get it. Can you explain it to me a little "stupid people" terms?

Not sure what part I need to explain, but homozygous means you have two identical copies of a gene, whether dominant or recessive (Co/Co for columbian). Heterozygous means the copies are different (CO/co). With dominant genes you generally only need one copy to see the resulting phenetype. With recessives, two copies are needed. Phenotype is what you see expressed. Genotype is what actual genes are present. The phenotype may be Black, but that could be hiding a recessive.

So, with dominant White you should only need one copy of the gene to get the resulting "White" phenotype (though this is not quite true). With recessive White, you should need two copies.

That being said, some of the BLB chicks that made it to lockdown, but didn't hatch, had a range of down color. Per Dan, the pure cream colored chicks were homozygous for dominant white, the cream with black were heterozygous, There were also some brown/partridge chicks that would have been golden laced.

I may have just confused you further. Sorry.

So C- Phenotype is what is observable-like feather color-earlob color-comb type
Genotype is what is expressed whether you can see them or not

Take a black mouse for example Black is a dominant color. so If you have a breeding pair of mice that are both B/b ( b=brown and is resessive) 75% pups born will be Black and 25% will be brown. Incomplete dominance happens often, anomalies, causing birth defects. This can physically change the gentic make up of the mice ( or any animal) changing thier pheno and genotype.