She said/He said Who's right? Who's wrong? No one!

[WalnutHill]

If you have a black and she was breeding black to Lav and some came out Lav and some black, then her black should be a split... and any black bred to Lav creates all splits...



This should help you...

Yep, I can't wait to see these Lavs grow out too... have some looking decent from a hatch right before Chicapee's too...

Thanks for the compliments on the Silkies... soon as we dry up a bit, I'll get pics of the juvies I'm happy with now and you'll see the difference...

Truthfully... I did... my older brother spun it around way too fast and I lost my grip and went headfirst into a large hardwood log...

Explains my eccentricities though...

Here's what I put together when deciding if I could sell my Narragansett and Golden Narragansett hens and still breed Narragansett and Golden Narragansett...turkey colors are just colors, not breeds, so it's really cool that you can breed away and come back to pure colors. If I sell the hens and breed to Bronze, Bronze-Red or Bourbon Red it would take me three generations to get back to a standard Narragansett male.

 

[kwhites634]

Here's what I put together when deciding if I could sell my Narragansett and Golden Narragansett hens and still breed Narragansett and Golden Narragansett...turkey colors are just colors, not breeds, so it's really cool that you can breed away and come back to pure colors. If I sell the hens and breed to Bronze, Bronze-Red or Bourbon Red it would take me three generations to get back to a standard Narragansett male.

Just to satisfy my own curiosity, do you know which of the wild turkeys originally went into the make-up of your domestics?

 

[kwhites634]

Trivia time:
Which country singer/song writer wrote & recorded "Chicken Truck"?

 

[NatureChica]

Thank you for validating my initial idea about a male marans to the Ameraucana females. Great help!

 

[WalnutHill]

Just to satisfy my own curiosity, do you know which of the wild turkeys originally went into the make-up of your domestics?

I've never done genetic testing on them, but most heritage turkeys (derived from Mexican wild turkeys) were crossed back to Eastern Wild Turkey when brought back to North America. Most of the current heritage turkeys were developed in the northeast.

http://www.biomedcentral.com/content/pdf/1471-2164-13-391.pdf

 

[kwhites634]

I've never done genetic testing on them, but most heritage turkeys (derived from wild turkeys) were crossed back to Eastern Wild Turkey when brought back to North America. Most of the current heritage turkeys were developed in the northeast.

Interesting. I didn't realize that the development took place mainly in the northeast, but I was pretty sure that the Eastern outnumbered all the others

 

[WalnutHill]

The northeast US was the most heavily settled area of the country up through the mid 19th century, and by then most of the recognized heritage varieties were developed and in sustainable populations. Bourbon Red is one later exception (though still developed in Pennsylvania).

One thing the Eastern brings is tan or "dirty" tail feather tips. Some of the other wild turkeys have clean, bright white tail tips as are shown in Broad Breasted Bronze. Here in SE Michigan, our local wild turkey population shows strong Red Bronze colors and tan feather tips. Near our property up north, they don't have the red tones but also have tan feather tips.

 

[WalnutHill]

http://www.livestockconservancy.org/index.php/heritage/internal/north-american-poultry-census

If you breed turkeys or chickens, please visit this site and complete the census if you wish.

 

[Ravynscroft]

Thanks again Do they even have merry-go-rounds in playgrounds any more? I remember lots of merry-go-round mishaps!!

Very welcome... you can always pm me too if you wish...

Only the strong survive Survival of the fittest Strengthens the gene pool

Dunno if I qualify for that category... think I'm in the "too crazy to risk trying to take out" group...

I'm going to buy a Brinsea ova scope for candling quail eggs. I use a 225 lumens light and still can't see into mine.

If you get an Ovascope don't bother with the regular one, only go for the high intensity one... otherwise you'll end up needing to upgrade... I was gonna get one but my phone works for most and my deWalt light works for all the rest...

Here's what I put together when deciding if I could sell my Narragansett and Golden Narragansett hens and still breed Narragansett and Golden Narragansett...turkey colors are just colors, not breeds, so it's really cool that you can breed away and come back to pure colors. If I sell the hens and breed to Bronze, Bronze-Red or Bourbon Red it would take me three generations to get back to a standard Narragansett male.

Yep, you are lucky in how much simpler breeding turkeys is, color wise... but most chicken breeds (waterfowl too) follow similar rules... as long as you learn the different groups of colors and patterns and learn which ones can be bred together and cleanly breed back out you can do more than most think... I found learning about OEGB colors, patterns and breeding helped figure out most of the basics for many different breeds...

Thank you for validating my initial idea about a male marans to the Ameraucana females. Great help!

Welcome... I'm wanting to get a Blue Copper Marans roo to put over my Cream Legbar hens for sex-linked olive eggers... and I like how those look, lol...

 

[NatureChica]

Question, why the blue marans? Just a visual preference or would they pair better with the cream legbar for the sex link?