She said/He said Who's right? Who's wrong? No one!

[NTBugtraq]

I take back the day 11 part, I'm not sure what day it is. And if anyone wants me to link the post, just tell me how to do it.

What I have read (as I have never had a shipped egg, or an egg with a detached air cell), is that you have to make sure you are turning the egg the right way to get it to go where it should. All air sacs, I believe, start in the fat end and only jostling and such will get it to be anywhere else. When it is, you've gotta convince it to move to where it should be. So, fat end up, gentle regular turns (either in a turning tray, or by hand). Mark the egg with X and O on either side, and rotate regularly, keeping fat end up (if no turning tray, then by using egg cartons). The sack is outside the membrane, so the process of getting it to go from tip to fat end means separating membrane across the length of the egg. The membrane is attached to the shell so it can breath, and detaching it from the cell is not a healthy thing, unless done slowly.

If they did not notice this till day 11, they've never done shipped eggs and haven't read anyone's advice about shipped eggs...so, it is what it is. At Day 11, ideal weight loss is nearly 1/2 of all weight loss, and air cell development should be roughly equal. Its much harder to get a big air cell to move than a small detached one. I have to believe theirs has re-attached to the shell, albeit in the wrong place.

No advice from me, just what I think I have learned from what I read. Sorry

 

[NTBugtraq]

Sidewing, FridayYet, when you talk about sq.ft. per bird, you talking grazing space? or coop space? or combined?? See I can understand 10 sq.ft. of free-range space per bird...but not when they're fed from feeders and not allowed to free-range.

 

[scflock]

Sidewing, FridayYet, when you talk about sq.ft. per bird, you talking grazing space? or coop space? or combined?? See I can understand 10 sq.ft. of free-range space per bird...but not when they're fed from feeders and not allowed to free-range.

thats what I do because that's what I'm working with. I can't free range with 5 purebreeds. The pens are plenty large enough for them to have their own space, and their feed is supplemented by the garden

 

[scflock]

Sidewing, FridayYet, when you talk about sq.ft. per bird, you talking grazing space? or coop space? or combined?? See I can understand 10 sq.ft. of free-range space per bird...but not when they're fed from feeders and not allowed to free-range.

You know what? I was going to let it go, but I'm going to take you to task on this one, and this is a friendly debate, I'm not trying to start an argument. For someone that is looking for help after suffering bad problems, you are really quick to tell people that disagree with you that your way is the only way. That's the second time I've seen you do this. Is it less humane to keep a bird comfortable, but protected than it is to free range where one can get mauled by dogs? And if he's drawn blood on 20 occasions, was there nothing to be done to change his behavior? My polish rooster was vicious, and I asked for help on BYC. Within a week he quit attacking me, and I never touched him. He's still mean, but he keeps his distance

 

[FridayYet]

Run space. (Not coop space.) Even though they don't free range, they need room to dust bathe, run around, get away from the bullies, practice flying, preen, stretch, sunbathe, scratch in the dirt, etc.


I now have 9 chickens in a 400 square foot run, and I wish I had more space for them! I can't free-range either or they would be coyote food.

 

[WVduckchick]

My 3rd and final polish just pipped!!

 

[AmyPaperlady]

I decided I was going to get caught up before I posted, and now I can't remember what I was going to post

But seriously, you guys've been chatty today! Sheesh!

Picked my eggs up at the post office this morning. One advantage of them sitting there since Saturday--the air cells that I could see were nice and solid.

 

[FridayYet]

I decided I was going to get caught up before I posted, and now I can't remember what I was going to post But seriously, you guys've been chatty today! Sheesh! Picked my eggs up at the post office this morning. One advantage of them sitting there since Saturday--the air cells that I could see were nice and solid.

Beautiful eggs! Wish you the best of luck.

 

[FridayYet]

My 3rd and final polish just pipped!!   

Go little Polish! Post pics when it arrives.

 

[NTBugtraq]

You know what? I was going to let it go, but I'm going to take you to task on this one, and this is a friendly debate, I'm not trying to start an argument. For someone that is looking for help after suffering bad problems, you are really quick to tell people that disagree with you that your way is the only way. That's the second time I've seen you do this. Is it less humane to keep a bird comfortable, but protected than it is to free range where one can get mauled by dogs? And if he's drawn blood on 20 occasions, was there nothing to be done to change his behavior? My polish rooster was vicious, and I asked for help on BYC. Within a week he quit attacking me, and I never touched him. He's still mean, but he keeps his distance

Not really sure what this is directed at. I have Red Tail Hawks, Fishers, Wolves, Coydogs, and Bears in my bush 50' away from my coop. Yes, I have 4 dogs also, but they don't fixate on the chickens unless I am in the pen. As for failing yet giving advice, I hope I haven't given advice about how to succeed where I failed. I could be wrong, but the space my main flock has does not contribute to my mistakes in the incubator...but if you think it has, pls correct me.