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They are beautiful, and I almost bought them before I found the ones I bought

You made the right choice. I like the hens and the roo in the fourth photo, though I like the color on the third roo. Ameraucana they are not, but nice EEs.


Here are my two flock roos. They are both mutts.

The Salmon Faverolle/EE cross is kept only for his color. He throws tricolors when crossed with RSLs. Beautiful calico babies. But his form is lacking substance in the breast, and is narrow in the hips, same faults as I attribute to your pretty Tate. His babies are not showing that fault in the first generation.








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The other roo is a Light Brahma cross:




This boy throws silver laced and Columbian pattern birds. I LOVE his build. He is, to me, what a large fowl rooster should be without considering color patterns or breed.

He throws:
EE mom

RSL mom

RSL mom

EE mom cochin cross


And out of this genetic quagmire, I get birds that look very much like Ameraucana, very much like RSL but with puffy cheeks, some that look much like pure Light Brahma without single comb, some that look like cochin, and some that are genetically "scrambled eggs" that get culled because all the wrong features are assembled.

It should be a LOT easier to improve a line of purebred stock if you have complementary features in the hens and roos.

While it's easier to change the roo and faster and cheaper to expand the breeding pool that way, I select my birds based on the mother. I am currently only doing this for turkeys, as I have too few EE hens and too many RSL hens to be able to selectively breed. But with the turkeys, I select the best hens in my flock. They need to be large without being disproportionate. The conformation has to fit the APA standard, with legs, head, back angle, breast, keel and shank length, good eye, finely formed head. Color is secondary but must be compatible with the breeding program. The tom has to be a good bird, but his color and vigor are the key factors.

Over a couple of generations I've been able to bring my Narragansetts up to where they ought to be, enough where I was able to get top dollar for breeding pairs. My foundation sire was a Porter's tom, and while his color was perfect and his temperament was great, his conformation was marginal and he was at the small end of the APA standard. Crossing him with the best unrelated hen I could find gave me a nice selection of babies, but a sorting accident on processing day took away my best two hens. So I bought another hen, who contributed size, but none of the other factors. I am raising two of her babies, and if they are girls they will hold over. They will provide me with three turkey varieties thanks to the color genetics.
 
I had to do a little research. It's a gray tree frog. I didn't even know that we had tree frogs in NY!
Gotta love the little froggies. Thanks for doing the research. Mine was the same model. Had one on my back steps for 1/2 a day last fall when we were processing meaties.
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Always nice to have some good news!! And thanks for the reminder, mine needs new batteries too.
Eggs in the bator for me = new batteries in the flashlight.

Candling addiction? When I have eggs in the bator, the first thing I do as soon as everyone else is out of the house... or has gone to bed for the night, is grab a few eggs and sneak into the bathroom to candle them. Just a few. After all, if no one sees me do it, and I don't candle the same ones over and over, it hardly counts, right??? Besides, it's educational. Start at day 3, doing a comparison between incubated and non incubated eggs to see if signs of life can be detected.
 
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You made the right choice. I like the hens and the roo in the fourth photo, though I like the color on the third roo. Ameraucana they are not, but nice EEs.


Here are my two flock roos. They are both mutts.

The Salmon Faverolle/EE cross is kept only for his color. He throws tricolors when crossed with RSLs. Beautiful calico babies. But his form is lacking substance in the breast, and is narrow in the hips, same faults as I attribute to your pretty Tate. His babies are not showing that fault in the first generation.








Throws




The other roo is a Light Brahma cross:




This boy throws silver laced and Columbian pattern birds. I LOVE his build. He is, to me, what a large fowl rooster should be without considering color patterns or breed.

He throws:
EE mom

RSL mom

RSL mom

EE mom cochin cross


And out of this genetic quagmire, I get birds that look very much like Ameraucana, very much like RSL but with puffy cheeks, some that look much like pure Light Brahma without single comb, some that look like cochin, and some that are genetically "scrambled eggs" that get culled because all the wrong features are assembled.

It should be a LOT easier to improve a line of purebred stock if you have complementary features in the hens and roos.

While it's easier to change the roo and faster and cheaper to expand the breeding pool that way, I select my birds based on the mother. I am currently only doing this for turkeys, as I have too few EE hens and too many RSL hens to be able to selectively breed. But with the turkeys, I select the best hens in my flock. They need to be large without being disproportionate. The conformation has to fit the APA standard, with legs, head, back angle, breast, keel and shank length, good eye, finely formed head. Color is secondary but must be compatible with the breeding program. The tom has to be a good bird, but his color and vigor are the key factors.

Over a couple of generations I've been able to bring my Narragansetts up to where they ought to be, enough where I was able to get top dollar for breeding pairs. My foundation sire was a Porter's tom, and while his color was perfect and his temperament was great, his conformation was marginal and he was at the small end of the APA standard. Crossing him with the best unrelated hen I could find gave me a nice selection of babies, but a sorting accident on processing day took away my best two hens. So I bought another hen, who contributed size, but none of the other factors. I am raising two of her babies, and if they are girls they will hold over. They will provide me with three turkey varieties thanks to the color genetics.

I didn't figure I would ever hatch any of my RSL's eggs, because their mates are a dark brahma and a very pretty EE. But you have some beautiful mixes, so I may have to consider it!
Thanks for sharing!
 
OK folks i have 2dz. Of greys in the incubator my thermometer was messed up unknowingly and they were at 104 degrees the first 24hrs. Are they hurt?
 
SC, you are right about them being different as chicks. Even with the brooder on the floor a few will run up to my hand and the others don't act like I'm going to eat them when I reach in to take care of them or pick them up. Very friendly.
My favorite chicks I have ever had. Mine are a few weeks old now, and even in the outside brooder are still just as friendly. That big rooster chick runs to the door when he sees me and walks right up my arm. The only penguin looking chick I had looks to be a boy, too, so I'm really looking forward to seeing the differences in the 2 as they grow.
I don't mean to add pressure to your chicks, but I really do think there will be a noticeable difference between yours and mine as they grow. You can see from the first ad that I posted that Tate is carrying a lot of bad blood
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OK folks i have 2dz. Of greys in the incubator my thermometer was messed up unknowingly and they were at 104 degrees the first 24hrs. Are they hurt?

104 is borderline... You may have lost some, but some should survive. I'd just leave them in, and candle by day 5-7 and see. Unless you smell any stinkers, you'll just have to wait.
 
My favorite chicks I have ever had. Mine are a few weeks old now, and even in the outside brooder are still just as friendly. That big rooster chick runs to the door when he sees me and walks right up my arm. The only penguin looking chick I had looks to be a boy, too, so I'm really looking forward to seeing the differences in the 2 as they grow.
I don't mean to add pressure to your chicks, but I really do think there will be a noticeable difference between yours and mine as they grow. You can see from the first ad that I posted that Tate is carrying a lot of bad blood
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Tate looks 10x better than the birds in the ad. They should be buying from you!
 
She is.....I'll vouch for that!  :D


There's a true friend!! :D :hugs


Have a good one, guys n chicks--ducks, parrots, rabbits, frenchy bois, peachicks, etc., etc.:frow


Your 'behind the scenes' comments are killing me... :lau


You disappoint me. With all that was said yesterday, that is the best you can come up with? Are you made of wood?


You should see the Ovate comments... :D


French redneck hick..  :lol:


Yep!!
Thanks for the heads up on the pic thread... the water bowl pic is too small... trying to decide for my 2nd pic... :/


I didn't take any offense by that. I asked for opinions, and that would be a typical response on the BCM thread. I know Tate has faults, so I knew what to expect. I have noticed, though, that plenty of people pick out the faults, but very few post pics of their SQ birds ;)


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I admit mine have faults, but at least I shared... ;)

The color is better than tate, but that bird doesn't look as good as the one Ravyn posted yesterday. If you go to Snowbird's profile page, he has a beautiful rooster, too. Jeane's birds are known for being taller and leaner than Bev's. All lines have their issues, but I think sidewing went the best route


Why, thank you, sc... I do egg swaps too if you're ever interested...


Good morning byc. I use a 55 gallon drum that has a lid that for some reason is not a tight fitting one. I use this drum attached to pvc lines with water nipples for my chickens. I was wondering what you would recommend to keep the water fresh and sanitary. I have been adding some bleach once a week. I am not sure whether that's enough or not. I have ordered some oxine ah from amazon to use instead. I will also use this to sanitize all incubation equipment after a hatch. Looking forward to advice ??? I am wanting to run a buried water line out to the coops eventually.


I use copper sulfate... got this advice directly from ozexpat... TSC doesn't carry it, but some co-ops do, otherwise you can get it from jefferspet.com...

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Instructions on package are stronger than you want... I mix 1lb pkge in 2 gallons of water for stock solution then add 1/8 to 1/4 ounces of solution to every gallon of drinking water... works in plastic standing waterers and in pvc lines... stains and has a bit of residue, but no algae, mold or slime and healthier... oz swears by it and so do I...

Didn't quote the frog pics to spare Ruby... sorry, hon... but cute pics...

Oh, and I use the super bright flashlight app on my smartphone for candling... works great!
 
Ok thanks i know im not supposed to post in this forum but i couldnt figure it out lol. So at day ten i can candle them and if they are forming they shouldnt be hurt correct? And will a flashlight work as candling?
 

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