Shipped Egg Question some one please see if you know the answer

[Dipsy Doodle Doo]

Hi! You need a better candler.

and heck, I have candled a lot of eggs now, and I am often not sure what I am seeing at least not on day six.

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In the nicest possible way, seriously, you should see 'something' (as opposed to clear) at Day 6. If you are dealing with 'dark eggs, disregard this).
My apologies to the person that started this. It wasn't my intention to be disagreeable or argumentative but
there are some things that are facts and get mis-stated and need to be straightened up.

Lisa​

 

[ILOVEFRIZZLES]

I know I need a better one I use a led flashlight.

 

[IggiMom]

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edited to add:
In the nicest possible way, seriously, you should see 'something' (as opposed to clear) at Day 6. If you are dealing with 'dark eggs, disregard this).
My apologies to the person that started this. It wasn't my intention to be disagreeable or argumentative but
there are some things that are facts and get mis-stated and need to be straightened up.

Lisa

I have a mag flashlight. What do you recommend? (Um--I do not want to make one.)

Catherine

 

[Katy]

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Good to know! I was about to ship with that (will be my first time).
I guess I'll use shredded paper/bubble wrap combo.
Thanks!

Until the embryo starts to develop the egg doesn't need oxygen.

 

[aveca]

Heres one for you, I collected up some australorp eggs to put in the bator with the purchased black orp eggs, found one of those mis-shapen eggs looked a little like a twist ice cream cone and naturally you wouldnt use that egg in a hatch. I put it on one of the antique egg weighers of my husbands by the fireplace forgot about it for a couple days, this morning I remembered it, and cracked it open carefully in glass pyrex bowl..I very carefully turned it over with a plastic spoon ...it had a blastodisk about the size of a dime. This lady may not know exactly what she is looking foror be confused at what she is looking at. people who deal a lot with shipping eggs know that everything is a gamble and that is just part of it. Because we have brown eggs, we wait to around day 10==11 to candle...eggs that are under 5 days are pretty delicate and should not be handled too much. less is better.

 

[evonne]

one infertile out of a dozen isn't bad... things happen... one out of six would kinda suck.....
how many eggs did you send her, and if hte others started, then that one.... fertile or not...??? what does she want you to do? crack and check every egg, then what do you hatch???

if the rest are cloudy, i would say they started to develope or were scrambled by the PO... which is not your fault at all and i wouldn't expect a replacement if it were me... i'd be bummed, but that's the chance you take when getting shipped eggs....

as far as candling more than once, or before day 10, on my own eggs, i candle at day 4 or 5, and then every few days, just becasue i like to see it.. it reminds me how much of a miracle life is...
my first batch, i candled every night from day 4 through day 14, then at 17, and again at 18 before lockdown... of the 6 that had veining on day 4, all 6 hatched...
i don't believe candeling hurts the hatch rate... dropping them while attempting to candle however... rofl....

did this person order off ebay, or another auction site?? did you have an "i do not guarantee hatch rates" statement??
i'm sorry that this person is giving you problems... i have had 0/40+ shipped eggs hatch.... i candle when i unpack them, and again after they settle for 12-24 hours, checking for aircells and whatnot... are they together or separated... apparently the PO out here likes to shake boxes... i report to my senders, just so they know.... i have x# of decent air cells, x# of floaters, x# scrambled looking yolks....
not that i blame them, but so they know when at day 10 i say i got 0 developing...
like i said.. no blame on the sender if they arrive in the best condition YOU can get them there in... you did your part...

good luck with the situation....

 

[fancbrd4me02]

This is a interesting thread and now I can't resist! I HAVE to do an experiment now. I have always kind of wondered about the bubble wrap & oxygen. I will report my scientific findings on the effects of bubble wrap in 28 to 36 days. I'm sure you are all looking forward to that. As for the candling at 6 days....well, I suggest that it doesn't matter if you should or shouldn't see anything at 6 days, it would be prudent to be patient at least a few days more to avoid costly mistakes. Candling is a skill, and not everyone knows what they are looking at, and I would question the logic of cracking open every egg you don't see something in on day six.... why not wait?

 

[jenjscott]

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The point here is that you have a blastoderm basically in suspended animation. There is minimal to no metabolism, any oxygen requirements could easily be met by the aircell. Once incubation starts and you have a growing organism, all bets are off. Actually, I was thinking of the same thing. Wrap a bunch up, send them to myself, candle, incubate, candle, etc....along with some from the same time period that were not wrapped and shipped.

 

[Gypsy07]

I think people who are selling eggs and shipping them should have a clear statement of their position on infertile, non-developing or P/O scrambled eggs so that buyers will know exactly where they stand in the event of a problem occurring. That saves any long email debates about responsibility and replacement when things don't develop as hoped for. Some sellers offer to replace eggs that candle clear at 10 days, some don't. Most sellers say fertility is out of their hands after the eggs go through the post. I think that is entirely fair, as long as the seller checks their own eggs regularly and knows that the fertility rate is good.

I suppose there's a fair bit of trust involved. I mean, a crooked seller could easily tell you their fertility checks out at over 90% and your 0/40 is the fault of the postal service but I'd imagine that most sellers are very honest and trustworthy. They wouldn't last long in business if they weren't. Rough handling and lower hatch rates is just a chance you know you are taking when you ask to have eggs shipped to you.

Just my opinion anyway. Am I right?

 

[mstricer]

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I'm with you, unless the eggs were severly cracked, smashed, or broken, without physical damage to the outside box. (that is the only way I would blame the seller.) We all take the risk when purchasing shipped eggs. I have not had a good hatch so far on shipped eggs but not not blaming those who sold them to me. And I know by the time my eggs get to me they are probrally already close to 10 days. I assume that, because some auctions go for 3 days, the seller show a pic of the eggs, we really dont know if it is a pic of what eggs look like or actual eggs, then sometimes it could take up to 2-3 days ship, then 12 or more hours to settle. So you should know that there are risk, and then theres that, "I just plain suck at incubating thing". Oh well it is still fun. Anyone want to join the "Incubating Losers Club" affectionaly also know as ILC.