Show Off Your Games!

[JShubin]

Have to show this guy off real quick

Fabios son... named him Champion.

 

[graybeard]

Yeah... But he doesn't do well with other animals. He just killed my goat( that had been getting a little hostile). It happened while I was at work. I just got the dang thing hadn't had the time to properly train and socialize him with the goats. I'm in the process of socializing him with the chickens, although a good tuning after the goat incident, he tries to avoid even lookin at my birds. Killing is unacceptable unless its a coon or coyote or something that's a threat and I tell them to do so. Ammo is gettin too expensive to waste unless I'm gonna eat it. Hogs aren't in west Tennessee yet, or he would have a full time job.

 

[Jungleexplorer]

Have to show this guy off real quick

Fabios son... named him Champion.

Very nice!

 

[Jungleexplorer]

My Hatch "Pretty Boy"

 

[lualshannon]

I'm by no means a game fowl expert or a game dog expert. I've been around game dogs far longer than chickens. Breeding pure breads is the fastest way to get what you want. But both species came from years of selective cross breeding.this is why there are so many color variations of both. If this wasn't true, you would basically only have one type or breed of these species. You can most definately create your own breed of game fowl. It will take, like I said, years and years, to get to a point where you have breeding birds that only throw true game fowl. Even then not a 100% of these said game fowl will truly be "Game". I know this to be a fact in game dogs. I've been around them half my life. You can breed champions with each other and only get maybe 2 out of 8-10 pups that have a real game mentality. I know some of you die hard game fowl breeders will probably disagree with me, but this is my interpretation of all the reading I've done ver the years and seeing with my own eyes. More power to those of you breeding your own lines. I for one, would be one of those people, if I had more experience with chickens. I'm gonna stick to what I enjoy a little more, being my game and hunting dogs. I'll just keep to raising my back yard flock.

Game dogs? Are you referring to Am. Pit Bull, Am. Staff, or Bull Terriers which are specifically used in disscompassionate, gruesome, and illegal dog fight activities in US? Or, I should say; Conventions?

I have been a dog breeder for the last 27 years; bred and raised good number of champion dogs. I am a very active dog show exhibitor, and dog trainer. I also have chickens, as well as, pure bred Shamo. I deeply appreciate the captivating beauty of Game Birds; admire their intelligence, and gentle disposition with people. There is a big difference between Game Birds, and Game dogs, sir!

You have made the mention of, Game Dog Champion, in your post above, and am guessing that you are most likely not referring to A.K.C. sanctioned Dog Show Champions; but, rather the Pit Champions which takes 3 undefeated fights to achieve? Grand Champion? 5 (five undefeated) fights? Well, needless to say; first they have to conform to the "19 Cajun Rules"?

You have so generously posted a training photo of your Pit dog. If he is just a family pet which one can trust with the lovely little girl in the photo, I am wondering the reasons of such a training. Actually, the photo of the pretty little girl and the Pit dog is quite frightening, and disheartening. I know dogs' nature! I have devoted big part of my life to raising, showing and training. One fact shall never change is that: when the opportunity arises, the dog will do what it was bred for, what is in his nature, and in his genetics, regardless of how long it was trained for it to behave like a cute, perfect house pet!
Please do keep close eye on the innocent little girl, sir!

I love, and learn from the posts of the experienced, respected Game Bird breeders, and appreciate the photographs of so many gorgeous birds, and that is "THE" only reason why I am on the, Back Yard Chickens' "Show Off Your Games", thread.

Thank you!

Lual Shannon

APBT's and Beagles.

This is my long time stud. Best dog I've ever had and , I've had roughly 20 bullies. He is a Eli x Nicorena cross. He's fathered 8 litters with several different females and always throws one male just like him, a chocolate red nose and a buckskin/ black mask. ALWAYS. I also have a Red red nose girl( who doesn't like the camera) who is all Midnight cowboy out Louisiana. I'm not a fighter and don't condone it in anyway but, I won't breed or own a dog that has any quit to them. And they MUST be easily handled by people, especially kids.
I don't really breed for color, size or head shape. They must have a true temperament and heart of a lion. I used to not be a fan of the Blue dogs until him, since they are not known to be short winded and oversized. He is an exception at 67 lbs. he can run alongside my 4 wheeler at 35 mph and clear a 6' fence standing still. And my beagles( unregistered) will make a trial dog look like they're standing still tracking down a bunny. But I could go on and on even longer about my dogs.

 

[graybeard]

The picture of 'playing' on his rope is purely for exercise. Anyone has has owned a bully breed knows they are full of energy. The rope is the best way I have found to get that out so that we can work on more personal training, like simple commands and people interaction. My dogs are not fighters and like I said before I don't condone it. As a young punk I was around it, and now I don't accept it. My dogs aren't even allowed to jump up when greeting people, they must sit until greeted. I am very aware of what it takes to be a fighting champion, and an agility champion, or show champion. I was just making a point that you can breed two champions at any task and not all will be of the same caliber. Please don't jump to conclusions because of one picture. We also take 2 mile walks on a daily basis and pull weight sleds around the yard. And for a REAL game dog people aggression is not allowed, for they must be handled at all times by people. And the original APBT's were used as babysitters in the gold rush days.

 

[Jungleexplorer]

As a victim of PBs at age six when I was attacked by two pitts and severely injured, I want to chime in here. I have heard arguments on both sides of the issue. I am going to have to agree with Lual on this. No matter how well trained an animal is, it is it's instinct that will prevail in the end. Take for instance my wife's little Shih Tzu, which I call, "The stuffed animal that occasionally moves". There is no more docile dog in the world then her Shih Tzu, but one day I wanted to sit down on the couch and picked him up to move him. I must have touched a nerve just right or something and the little dog snapped at my face catching my nose with a tooth and slicing my nose wide open. The dog had never done this before and has never done it sense. It was a one time thing. My point here is this. If it were a Pitt, I would be dead or would not have a face. Most people that love Pitts try to argue that Pitts are not any more aggressive then any other breed, and for the sake of this discussion I will agree with that idea. But even if they are not anymore aggressive then any other breed, they still posses a greater "CAPACITY" to do harm and kill then any other breed. Any dog has the potential to bite or attack a human under the right circumstances, but very few dog have the Capacity or the instinct to kill like the Pitt. People get bit by dogs everyday, but the reason we only hear about Pitts doing it, is that when they do, it usually a very serious incident.

I have personally had a lot of experience with Pitts attacking. When my my daughter was small she had a Lotsa Apso. One day when she was out in the back yard playing with it, the next door neighbors Pitt smashed through the wooden fence and attacked. It was after the little dog, but that the dog was in my daughter's arms at the time. It ripped the dog from her arms and crushed it's head with a single bite, tearing out one of it's eyeballs. I was at work when I got the call. I called my neighbor and told him what happened. Like most owners of Pitts, he went off on this whole tangent about how Pitts are not more aggressive and how they are constantly misjudged. I calmly told him that I had no desire to create any animosity between him and me and that was why I was calling. I recommended that he chain his dog up to keep it from breaking through the fence; to which he said, "I don't believe in chaining my dog up". I said, "Okay, that's fine; but please understand that if your dog breaks through my fence again, I will not call you, I will drop the dog in it's tracks and dispose of the body, So, you do what you think is best to control your dog, it's your choice. I am giving fair warning." The next week the dog broke through the fence again and I kept my promise.

On another occasion, I was mowing this elderly woman's yard for her and the next door neighbors Pitt kept attacking the fence when I was on that side of the back yard. I mean this dog was slamming into the fence full force. Finally, it shattered one of the pickets and stuck it's snarling snout through. Not wanting to wait until it broke through, I went int to alley, found a coke bottle, cut the top off and filled it with my urine. The next time the dog stuck his snout through, I stuck the bottle on it. Never had a problem with that dog again. The owner disposed of the dog a few weeks later because it was no longer, "Useful as a watch dog because it he keeps running from everything" as he put it. Of course I told the owner that I had no idea what could have happened to it.

My point in telling these personal stories is this; any dog will bark at the edge of a fence when a stranger or another dog passes by, but very few breeds have the "capacity" or desire to shatter a wooden fence to attack and try to kill the victim on the other side. Any dog will attack another dog, but no other "breed" has the instinct bred into them to kill the other dog like Pitts do. Any dog has the potential of turning on and attacking their owner, but no other breeds has as a great a potential of seriously injuring and killing their owner (or their children) like the Pitt does. So anyone that owns Pitts, needs to take this, "Potential and Capacity" for serious harm and death in to account, regardless of whether they believe that Pitts are not more "Likely or Prone" to attack then other breeds.

That's my two cents. I have nothing against the PB as a breed, but I do have something against irresponsible PB owners that refuse to acknowledge and make themselves willing ignorant of the greater capacity for harm and death that their dog posses; and therefore they don't take the appropriate measures to protect the rest of us innocent people and our dogs. I have more personal experiences with Pitt attacks to share if you want to argue with me. And yes, I do know the difference between a German Shepard and a Pitbull (I am so tired of Pitt owners trying to claim that people don't know the difference between a PB and a GS and that it is really GSs that are doing all the attacking that PBs are getting blamed for. They must think the rest of the world are all idiots).

 

[graybeard]

I'll agree with with you on capacity to do harm. Not so much the potential part. Yes they were bread for certain purposes... Each every animal as well as humans are only a product of their enviroment. I wish every PB owner handled their dogs properly and trained right. I for one don't agree with using them to guard against people. I hate that you and SEVERAL Other people had bad experiences with poorly trained dogs. I for one definately know the difference between two totally different breeds. There are more than just the PB that have great capacity and potential to do harm to someone. Hopefully to end this, because this is a thread about gamefowl not dogs, we having a simple conversation about our dogs. Not complaining about the breeds each other own. I'm sure none of you hate every person in the world because there are a few bad apples that do horrible things to other people.

Now... Lets get back to the gamefowl. These folks have some very good input on the birds that we are supposed to be talking about.

 

[CUDA]

I wouldn't call crossing layers into games to make "games" good input...lol!

 

[DTchickens]

Be careful guys. This thread has a long history and it would be a shame for it to get shut down.

Thank you Jungle, that was going to be my next reply; if J (or anyone else) wished to speak further about what I wrote I was going to suggest emailing me. There is only so much I can say on this forum without really risking the thread getting shut down for really no reason, so I can't explain all details as I would want to. Took me awhile to comment as I wasn't home yesterday.

On pits, I've never had issues with them. People use them for guard dogs, but in truth every one of them I've seen were only barkers; and if approached closely enough they usually licked the person to death even if they didn't know them. This is true of the regular backyard pits, and the game pits a friend of mine has. I'm not saying some aren't aggressive, I just have not found one out of the many. Same goes for Rottweilers I've been around and owned. I've had chihauhau's and dachshunds try to nip my ankles though when my back was turned.

God bless,
Daniel.