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[Yahya Morse]

For sale! Toppy x Asil-Spanish 4.5 months Houston area.

 

[flypen]

Are your birds all wheaton based or do you have some come out wild-type?

Most of them are not wild type, this color comes about 10%

 

[roosterhavoc]

 

[maranfarmer563]

How long does it take to train a cock on a string

 

[centrarchid]

Most of them are not wild type, this color comes about 10%

What do the wild-type hens look like. Hen shown maybe a tad light.

 

[flypen]

What do the wild-type hens look like. Hen shown maybe a tad light.

Since 1983 I have only seen two colors of hens in this bloodline, one is colored like the first picture the other color comes like this one

 

[centrarchid]

Since 1983 I have only seen two colors of hens in this bloodline, one is colored like the first picture the other color comes like this one

Got any profile shots of hens like that one. From this picture I can not distinguish her from wheaton.

 

[flypen]

Got any profile shots of hens like that one. From this picture I can not distinguish her from wheaton.

I will try to get you profile pictures tomorrow that's all I have on my phone and it's dark here now

 

[childressj]

Centrarchid is very knowledgeable and I agree with him on his comments. The hen in post 9655 appears to have the wild type body color (compare with the very light breasted hen in post 9656). As Centrarchid says with respect to the first, she appears rather light in color but she may look darker in less bright sunlight. To conform to the wild type color she should have a salmon breast. As Centrarchid notes about the hen in 9656, I would call her wheaten which is a very common color among game fowl hens although the gene is carried in the cocks just as you'd expect. Cocks carrying a high percent wheaten are more likely to have "clean" or "clear" hackle which means to have little or no black in those feathers.

Centrarchid called these to my attention because he recalled that I was looking for a wild type family of American gamefowl. Individuals with some wild type characteristics and colors are VERY common but individuals with ALL the wild type characteristics and colors strangely are not as commonly seen as you might expect and I know of no one breeding a family which breed true. The wild type is (most importantly) from the dark bodied hen with salmon breast and not wheaten. I say importantly, because if one wants to breed them to breed true (come looking like peas in a pod) the wheaten can be hard to breed out because it often behaves dominant. The other wild type characteristics are simply a straight comb and slate shanks (blue when younger) on a gold (lemon or yellow) duck wing as the geneticists call them. Most of us call them "Black Breasted Reds" but this is no more helpful than "duck wing" as a genetic description because wheaten cocks are also "Black Breasted Reds" and are often in fact quite red hackled which is not the bright yellow or lemon (geneticists call lemon "gold") of the wild ancestor. The geneticists say the red hackle come from gold (lemon) which has been "red enhanced".

Almost everything said above (except references to yellow, lemon, gold and red) applies to "greys" (silver as genecists call them) because red or grey (gold or silver) is by an entirely different gene. So why the interest in the "wild type"? In large part due to the scarcity of the original domesticated chicken as represented by game fowl which are the closest domesticated relative of the original domesticated chicken. Those having the wild type characteristics are the only ones showing no obvious mutations.

 

[sdm111]

Ok or u could bypass it all and get a red jungle fowl hen