Sick pullet?

[MarlaMac]

Pretty sure I am dealing with coccidiosis. New poop and I can see blood in it. Dosed her and will keep her in tonight. Also dosing all waterers 2 tsp per gal.

Thanks!

 

[Wyorp Rock]

Yes, I agree with you. I'd treat for Coccidiosis.

You have the drench dose correct, give that for the 3 days. The drench is in addition to her drinking the mixed Corid water, you are correct on the dosing for that too.

Don't worry about the feed having B1, it should be fine.
The drug manuals says "excessive Thiamine (B1) in the diet can reduce or reverse the anticoccidial effects of the drug", but there's no figure that tells us what "excessive" is so this is the reason why you see us suggest not to give "Extra" supplements that contain B1 during the course of treatment, but the daily amount in the feed should not be "excessive".

I sure hope she make a turn for the better, she's a pretty little thing.

 

[MarlaMac]

Yes, I agree with you. I'd treat for Coccidiosis.

You have the drench dose correct, give that for the 3 days. The drench is in addition to her drinking the mixed Corid water, you are correct on the dosing for that too.

Don't worry about the feed having B1, it should be fine.
The drug manuals says "excessive Thiamine (B1) in the diet can reduce or reverse the anticoccidial effects of the drug", but there's no figure that tells us what "excessive" is so this is the reason why you see us suggest not to give "Extra" supplements that contain B1 during the course of treatment, but the daily amount in the feed should not be "excessive".

I sure hope she make a turn for the better, she's a pretty little thing.

Thank you.

I read somewhere that after treatment that you should give vit a and k for a while. Do you have any insight to this?

I am also putting the corid in all the waterers for the flock. Is this advisable? I will get the vet to run a fecal float tomorrow to verify.

Thanks for the advise.

 

[Wyorp Rock]

Thank you.

I read somewhere that after treatment that you should give vit a and k for a while. Do you have any insight to this?

I am also putting the corid in all the waterers for the flock. Is this advisable? I will get the vet to run a fecal float tomorrow to verify.

Thanks for the advise.

I haven't read about giving A and K specifically after treatment, I would be interested in reading that information. I would give a poultry vitamin like Poultry Cell which does have those, plus the B Vitamins too.

It's not a bad idea to treat the others, the Corid is mild and won't hurt them.

Let me know what you find out and how she's doing too. If this is Coccidiosis, she should be perked up quite a bit by morning with the drench and the mixed water.

 

[MarlaMac]

I haven't read about giving A and K specifically after treatment, I would be interested in reading that information. I would give a poultry vitamin like Poultry Cell which does have those, plus the B Vitamins too.

It's not a bad idea to treat the others, the Corid is mild and won't hurt them.

Let me know what you find out and how she's doing too. If this is Coccidiosis, she should be perked up quite a bit by morning with the drench and the mixed water.

Thank you. I read about A & K in the following article. It is at the very bottom of the article.

https://www.backyardchickens.com/articles/coccidiosis-how-to-treat-it.64386/

I have not found it mentioned anywhere else. Hoping I caught this early enough and that she makes a strong comeback. I little unnerving reading about the devastating effects of this parasite.

I think I may have contributed to the growth of this bug by trying to keep them from heat stroke in our 105+ days. I have been getting the dirt in their run moist to give them a place to stand and cool off. I will invest in some shallow pans that I can leave around for them to stand in that is not around where they eat. Live and learn, I guess. I just hope she does not have to pay the ultimate price for my ignorance.

BTW...had you told me I would be forever on a path of learning about chicken and chicken health 3 years ago, I would have said you were crazy.

 

[MarlaMac]

Thank you. I read about A & K in the following article. It is at the very bottom of the article.

https://www.backyardchickens.com/articles/coccidiosis-how-to-treat-it.64386/

I have not found it mentioned anywhere else. Hoping I caught this early enough and that she makes a strong comeback. I little unnerving reading about the devastating effects of this parasite.

I think I may have contributed to the growth of this bug by trying to keep them from heat stroke in our 105+ days. I have been getting the dirt in their run moist to give them a place to stand and cool off. I will invest in some shallow pans that I can leave around for them to stand in that is not around where they eat. Live and learn, I guess. I just hope she does not have to pay the ultimate price for my ignorance.

BTW...had you told me I would be forever on a path of learning about chicken and chicken health 3 years ago, I would have said you were crazy.

Vet did a fecal test and no coccidiosis. Girl still. It feeling well. Eating small bits of food.


Wondering if I should do a round of antibiotics in case it is a bacterial infection...

Any help would be great.

 

[MarlaMac]

Vet did a fecal test and no coccidiosis. Girl still. It feeling well. Eating small bits of food.


Wondering if I should do a round of antibiotics in case it is a bacterial infection...

Any help would be great.

Googling her condition, the chicken chick said one of three things.

Coccidiosis - eliminated

Infection - viral or bacterial. Her poop does look like the example she had of this.

Cancer

I think I will move on the infection list.

I have amoxicillin and cephalosporin . I know it won't work if it is viral, but it is worth a try.

Which should I administer @Wyorp Rock ? Dosage if you have it or I can look up.

 

[MarlaMac]

This girl is eating better tonight. I was gone most of the day, but hubby took good care of her. I came home and he was catching grasshoppers for her, which she loved.

Poop still yellow. Started her on amoxicillin, about 150mg. Having to break open a capsule and divide, so slightly more than 1/2 of 250 mg capsule.

Her poop is still yellow with a little more substance in it since she has eaten some.

What she has eaten a little of today.

Wet chick starter
2 small grasshoppers
Hard cooked egg
A couple small pieces of bread
About a tablespoon of watermelon

I know the bread is not the best option, but she was interested and anything I can get her to bite into right now is a plus.

She is developing quite the personality. She loves my husband.

Here is this afternoon's poop. Hope the tide is turning.

 

[Wyorp Rock]

She's being spoiled!

Yes, I would go with the Amoxicillin.

Dose is 57mg per pound of weight given orally twice a day for 10 days.

You don't have to be "exact" there's wiggle room in that dosing, so round up to what's easy to divide/calculate.

An easy way to divide the powder:
Mix the powder with a "known" measurement of something. Say 1 teaspoon of liverwurst or coconut oil. Then you can divide that teaspoon up into your dose. 1/2 teaspoon would be 125mg. If you need to, start by mixing 2 of your capsules into 1tsp, then divide it up if you dose is "larger".

Roll that dose into a small little coconut oil pill, put it in the freezer or fridge to harden it up, then you have a pill you can just pop into her beak. Make up a few, that way you have them ready.
Does that make sense?


I had not read that article before, thank you for that. I see where the author is coming from I think. Giving Vitamin K afterward would be appropriate especially if there was bleeding. A, I'm not sure, I'd have to look more into that. Either way, a few days of vitamins that include A, K, B's, etc. shouldn't hurt anything after treating a bird for illness.
If giving antibiotics, it's common to give some probiotics or a small amount of plain quality yogurt or buttermilk to help restore the gut.

Journey of a Lifetime!! Worth it though

BTW...had you told me I would be forever on a path of learning about chicken and chicken health 3 years ago, I would have said you were crazy.

 

[MarlaMac]

She's being spoiled!

Yes, I would go with the Amoxicillin.

Dose is 57mg per pound of weight given orally twice a day for 10 days.

You don't have to be "exact" there's wiggle room in that dosing, so round up to what's easy to divide/calculate.

An easy way to divide the powder:
Mix the powder with a "known" measurement of something. Say 1 teaspoon of liverwurst or coconut oil. Then you can divide that teaspoon up into your dose. 1/2 teaspoon would be 125mg. If you need to, start by mixing 2 of your capsules into 1tsp, then divide it up if you dose is "larger".

Roll that dose into a small little coconut oil pill, put it in the freezer or fridge to harden it up, then you have a pill you can just pop into her beak. Make up a few, that way you have them ready.
Does that make sense?


I had not read that article before, thank you for that. I see where the author is coming from I think. Giving Vitamin K afterward would be appropriate especially if there was bleeding. A, I'm not sure, I'd have to look more into that. Either way, a few days of vitamins that include A, K, B's, etc. shouldn't hurt anything after treating a bird for illness.
If giving antibiotics, it's common to give some probiotics or a small amount of plain quality yogurt or buttermilk to help restore the gut.

Journey of a Lifetime!! Worth it though

That is a genius way to divide up the medicine. I will make a couple up now for tomorrow. She weighs about 2.5 lbs. 2.5 * 57 = 142. 2 pills = 500 mg; 500 mg / 3 =167ish. That should be okay to give.

Thanks for that. We tried very hard to give the dosage in a syringe. The one that was big enough to suck up the powder was way to big to put down past her tongue into the crop. That will help a bunch!

What do you think the brownish red stuff is in her poop picture from earlier. I would have thought it was blood, but since the fecal float showed no parasites of any kind I am thinking probably not blood. Normal cecal poop or intestinal lining perhaps?

I am thinking that I should probably stop the corid dosage - direct and waterers. The vet said it would not hurt her, but he see no need to continue. Would that be your advice too?

Thanks for, once again, sharing your knowledge and experience. I hope to one day be of service to others as you have so kindly been to me.