Silkie breeding, genetics & showing

[fluffyfeathers]

Ok thanks. I just wondered because of the little partridge chick that hatched with red on it. I appreciate you taking a look.

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[Sonoran Silkies]

Quote: Okay, by variety name he is a grey. By genetic composition he is silver. A golden (one copy silver, 1 copy gold) has creamier to light yellowish hackles, etc.

A black from blue to blue breeding could be a very good black; it depends on the melanizers present. Lighter blues tend to have less melanization in hte plumage, but blue is such a variable colour that I am not sure there is a simple "always works this way" answer.

 

[Sonoran Silkies]

Quote: Blue is a dilution gene; it dilutes the amount of black in the feather. It is also highly variable. While the percentages are correct from a genetic discussion, it ignores that some blues are so dark that they appear black. Additional melanizers can add black back into the feathers.

There are a number of discussions about blues at The Coop. It is a highly variable gene as far as the amount of penetrance goes.

 

[peepblessed]

No. Split refers to having one copy of a recessive gene. Paint is definitely not that, else you would never get paints in a first generation cross of a paint to a non-paint that does not come from paint lines. Since you can take a paint and cross to a black that has never been from a paint breeding and get paint offspring, the gene is at least incompletely dominant.

I do not believe that a black from a paint breeding carries the genetic capability of passing paint genes to its offspring.

A black that came from a recessive white bird is indeed black split to recessive white. Likewise a bird with one mottled parent is split to mottle.

"Split to" is a widely used (not just chickens) genetic breeding term. It has the same meaning as heterozygous, except that it is applied only to birds with hidden recessive genes, whereas heterozygous does not distinguish for dominance.

Blue is a dilution gene; it dilutes the amount of black in the feather. It is also highly variable. While the percentages are correct from a genetic discussion, it ignores that some blues are so dark that they appear black. Additional melanizers can add black back into the feathers.

There are a number of discussions about blues at The Coop. It is a highly variable gene as far as the amount of penetrance goes.

Thanks for all this great info. I had also been wondering if a bird could carry both gold and silver. You answered before I asked.

 

[fluffyfeathers]

Thanks for clearing that up Sonoran. I'm glad to know he is a grey, all silver based. Do you have any guesses on how I ended up with a chick this color (with the red)? I ask because I wanted to try breeding grays. I want to improve what I have. I'm hoping I have a good gene pool to work with Thanks for the help.

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[mystdogs]

My three week old chicks from Catdance 19 total


Two partridge (from paint), but they seem to have barring and mottling on their feathers. The one on the left also has more of a silver shade then the one on the right. Middle is one of the porcelain chicks.



Black and white



4 of the whites



The last white, this one hatched out with yellow down.



Yellow down white with one of the buff



Two buffs with one of the black/lav splits



The three blue and splash babies

 

[aoxa]

My three week old chicks from Catdance 19 total


Two partridge (from paint), but they seem to have barring and mottling on their feathers. The one on the left also has more of a silver shade then the one on the right. Middle is one of the porcelain chicks.



Black and white



4 of the whites



The last white, this one hatched out with yellow down. 



Yellow down white with one of the buff



Two buffs with one of the black/lav splits



The three blue and splash babies

Adorable

 

[aoxa]

Here is my little frizzled silkie. Miracle child. I have no idea how she came to be, because my sizzle was penned up since July! This one hatched 9/30/12

 

[dwegg]

My three week old chicks from Catdance 19 total


Two partridge (from paint), but they seem to have barring and mottling on their feathers. The one on the left also has more of a silver shade then the one on the right. Middle is one of the porcelain chicks.



Black and white



4 of the whites



The last white, this one hatched out with yellow down.



Yellow down white with one of the buff



Two buffs with one of the black/lav splits



The three blue and splash babies

just beautiful babies....you'll be soooo happy with them...and lots of colors there also...

 

[dwegg]

Ok...so a black chick hatched from a paint breeding does NOT carry the paint gene? and as far as 'split' is concerned...why do people say..black split to lav?