Silkie breeding, genetics & showing

[Troubadour05]

As I was told, there is no "pure breed" chickens and I have a paint silkie currently. That is black with one copy of the dominant white gene. Her name is nugget. MOST of the time hatchery silkies are recessive white and it is difficult to find a dominant white silkie but folks have been working on them for a few years now. Silkies do in fact come in dominant white. The only way to know for sure what you have is to do a test breeding to a black bird and see what pops up. That's if you don't know the birds history. Thank you.

As I have heard, dominant white is the exception to the norm in Silkies. I have a paint too, in her background I was told was a leghorn that introduced the dominant white to a flock of black silkies. I stand corrected, I agree I should call a chicken a pure breed, but what I mean by that is that if someone is working on breeding Silkies, especially for show, they will be culling out traits, or genes, that are not true to the Silkie standard. I think after quite a few generations it is safe to say that those silkies do not carry genes that would label them as anything but Silkies. Though I will say there could be that lucky little recessive gene that can hang on for generations and generations then pop up very unwelcomed.

Test breeding must be done with more than just one bird, I have a blue hen that carries recessive white, I bred her to my white rooster (who is hiding splash) to work on type in my blue pen and wound up with 3 white chicks. After asking the breeder she came from I was told she could definitely be a carrier of white. If I hadn't asked I could have though Snowman was dominant white, but he is not.

Unless the Silkie is a paint, I always assume it is recessive white. Just from what I have been told, dominant white silkies are pretty rare, and (I would hope) the breeder of one will always share that information to a buyer/breeder.

 

[Tammylr]

As I have heard, dominant white is the exception to the norm in Silkies. I have a paint too, in her background I was told was a leghorn that introduced the dominant white to a flock of black silkies. I stand corrected, I agree I should call a chicken a pure breed, but what I mean by that is that if someone is working on breeding Silkies, especially for show, they will be culling out traits, or genes, that are not true to the Silkie standard. I think after quite a few generations it is safe to say that those silkies do not carry genes that would label them as anything but Silkies. Though I will say there could be that lucky little recessive gene that can hang on for generations and generations then pop up very unwelcomed. 

Test breeding must be done with more than just one bird, I have a blue hen that carries recessive white, I bred her to my white rooster (who is hiding splash) to work on type in my blue pen and wound up with 3 white chicks. After asking the breeder she came from I was told she could definitely be a carrier of white. If I hadn't asked I could have though Snowman was dominant white, but he is not. 

Unless the Silkie is a paint, I always assume it is recessive white. Just from what I have been told, dominant white silkies are pretty rare, and (I would hope) the breeder of one will always share that information to a buyer/breeder. 

I love the dominant white and paints. I went in to mine knowing the whites would be dominant. You are right that most are recessive but that not what I wanted. I love dominant genes like: blue, nn, black, white, red, and dominant white. I can't wait to start playing with the barring gene too. So much fun to be had and so little room!!!!!!

 

[gojira]

I love the dominant white and paints. I went in to mine knowing the whites would be dominant. You are right that most are recessive but that not what I wanted. I love dominant genes like: blue, nn, black, white, red, and dominant white. I can't wait to start playing with the barring gene too. So much fun to be had and so little room!!!!!!

What about Dominant White do you like? Why did you not want recessive white? Blue is only incompletely dominant. I assume by "nn" you mean Naked Neck, which is Na. Black and red are neither dominant or recessive. Why do you jump to so many conclusions without asking questions? I have been a lurker on this thread, but I have noticed you make a lot of statements (which usually aren't accurate), and don't ask questions.

 

[Tammylr]

I do my research and and do listen to people when they answer my question, of which I have asked many. Oh, and I don't attack people when they give their opinions. Everything on here should be taken with a grain of salt and confirmed on your own. Which I do! AND I was abbreviating naked neck not putting the gene sequence on my post. I got my info here Http://kippenjungle.nl/kruising.html I was stating things I liked, but since this is so insulting why don't you just go back to lurking!

 

[gojira]

I was not trying to be insulting. Where do you do your research? If you are getting misinformation, maybe you need to look elsewhere? You were saying things you like (but did not say why), but you also stated some traits were dominant, when they are not. Shouldn't things be confirmed before you repeat them?

 

[Tammylr]

I was not trying to be insulting.  Where do you do your research?  If you are getting misinformation, maybe you need to look elsewhere?  You were saying things you like (but did not say why), but you also stated some traits were dominant, when they are not.  Shouldn't things be confirmed before you repeat them?

http://kippenjungle.nl/kruising.html I looked at this site which was recommended to me. It explains a good number of genes well. I have confirmed these findings on many different pages and asked many questions of the more experienced people on here. Everyone has been very helpful and NICE. They have confirmed the information I found and have read through many threads that were started a couple of years ago and are still going today on genetics in relation to color, patterns, and feathering. I didn't realize I had to rationalize why I liked something. I have confirmed what I state on this forum. Black and red are base colors and always there, they can be diluted but are only covered completely by white. Several sites state that they are dominant. I don't just spout bs, I don't claim to know everything or anywhere near. I research and try to share and don't make anyone feel bad for joining in. Thank you.

 

[gojira]

Since you have confirmed it, please direct me to the papers that state black is a dominant gene, red is a dominant gene, and blue is a dominant gene. It goes against everything I was taught, but maybe someone knows more than the people I learned from. So you were welcoming me by telling me I should go back to lurking?

 

[Tammylr]

Got to this web site, http://kippenjungle.nl/basisEN.htm, and scroll down to where it is talking about E. Where it has dominant in bold and blue. You started this and I won't be bullied or talked down to. Read your posts before you send them and maybe you can catch how horribly insulting they are before you post them.

 

[Tammylr]

Got to this web site, http://kippenjungle.nl/basisEN.htm, and scroll down to where it is talking about E. Where it has dominant in bold and blue. You started this and I won't be bullied or talked down to. Read your posts before you send them and maybe you can catch how horribly insulting they are before you post them.

This site is by the people that did the color calculator that everyone on BYC raves about.m

 

[henney penny]

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