Silkie breeding, genetics & showing



Those are corn and soybean based...I though this was something to try and stay away from especially with white and light colored birds??? Too much corn is not good??? Correct?

And the soy bean would prob be GMO soy... Opinions?

For those more experienced breeders on here...do you like to feed whole grains, pellets, or crumbles....?

And I wouldn't feed medicated either except to chicks maybe....
 
I just picked up a bag of Tucker Milling super layer and it has 24% protein as my girls are all molting right now...and it is mini pellets for bantams as well...I am supplementing it with countryside organic layer whole grains....I like that the pellets are small and they seem to like it straight away...
 
Thank you for answering my breeding questions awhile back on the black silkie thread. Since we started discussing blacks on here, I've been meaning to send you a PM. Our black youngsters come from Rilly10(Laura at Clover Field Farm) and are out of your rooster and Laura's black hens. They are a deep black and we love the way they are maturing. However, if you blow on their feathers the underfluff is not deep black, but a bit lighter and more of a bluish tint. The foot feathering also has some lighter hue mixed in. I am wondering if our blacks are diluted in some way....or is this normal for a black x black breedings?
Tina G.

You will often see almost white feathers on the feet sometimes in them. Another common thing is white feather shafting especially in the wing primaries. I remember reading about it in Sigi's book... page 59 they show a close picture. She specifically states in there that white feather shafts in primaries is not a fault, but gold in one feather is. If you ever bathe your silkies you will notice on their foot feathers, there are thick quills coming out of the foot. If that shafting on them is light, it gives the appearance of lighter feathers too. I showed a black pullet back in 2010 that I knew was a straight black breeding. She was a typey lil gal, but did have some light feathers on her feet. Under Eric Kutch, she took 4th out of 17 black pullets in a show up here. Later that fall I shipped her down to FL and she did VERY well at a major double show. Judge never said a word in either time about the color there. Personally I worry more about overall body type and feather quality than some of the nitpicky lil details that may only be 1-2 points in the scheme of things.

I'm also going to bring up another point from Sigi's book about blacks that many may find interesting. This is a direct quote from page 59 too... "A few coloured feathers in the rooster's hackle can't be prevented because of the genetical background. Most are melanized Asiatic partridges. In their first year cockerels have black hackle, but after hormonal maturity (18 months) and their second molt, gold or silver breaks through." Now I personally see this ALOT. I get rid of cockerels that show any hackle color in their first year. I have an amazing black boy that got it just a hint of gold as a 2 year old. The original breeder of that bird's parents said her old black male got his about 5 years old. I had another black male from a different line that I just passed on to another breeder last week. He was an early 2009 hatch and still was jet black. He was only my back-up though and I had another nice cockerel to replace him this year. Now if I listen to the old wyndotte and cochin breeders from my poultry club, they claim that if you have a cock with just a hint of gold emerging later on in life to use that bird in your breeding pen. Supposedly you will see your richest, darkest blacks from that crossing.
This is my 3 year old male... All those previous pics I showed would be babies from him. He's the one that devoloped just a slight gold as a 2 year old. Old guys must know something I guess. His babies are about as pitch black as you can get. First 2 pics were from early last year. You can see just a hint of gold on that current pic from this year on last one. (scuse the molting hen too...)


 
You will often see almost white feathers on the feet sometimes in them.  Another common thing is white feather shafting especially in the wing primaries.  I remember reading about it in Sigi's book...  page 59 they show a close picture.  She specifically states in there that white feather shafts in primaries is not a fault, but gold in one feather is.  If you ever bathe your silkies you will notice on their foot feathers, there are thick quills coming out of the foot.  If that shafting on them is light, it gives the appearance of lighter feathers too.  I showed a black pullet back in 2010 that I knew was a straight black breeding.  She was a typey lil gal, but did have some light feathers on her feet.  Under Eric Kutch, she took 4th out of 17 black pullets in a show up here.  Later that fall I shipped her down to FL and she did VERY well at a major double show.  Judge never said a word in either time about the color there.  Personally I worry more about overall body type and feather quality than some of the nitpicky lil details that may only be 1-2 points in the scheme of things.

I'm also going to bring up another point from Sigi's book about blacks that many may find interesting.  This is a direct quote from page 59 too...  "A few coloured feathers in the rooster's hackle can't be prevented because of the genetical background.  Most are melanized Asiatic partridges.  In their first year cockerels have black hackle, but after hormonal maturity (18 months) and their second molt, gold or silver breaks through."    Now I personally see this ALOT.  I get rid of cockerels that show any hackle color in their first year.  I have an amazing black boy that got it just a hint of gold as a 2 year old.  The original breeder of that bird's parents said her old black male got his about 5 years old.  I had another black male from a different line that I just passed on to another breeder last week.  He was an early 2009 hatch and still was jet black.  He was only my back-up though and I had another nice cockerel to replace him this year.  Now if I listen to the old wyndotte and cochin breeders from my poultry club, they claim that if you have a cock with just a hint of gold emerging later on in life to use that bird in your breeding pen.  Supposedly you will see your richest, darkest blacks from that crossing. 
This is my 3 year old male...  All those previous pics I showed would be babies from him.  He's the one that devoloped just a slight gold as a 2 year old.  Old guys must know something I guess.  His babies are about as pitch black as you can get.  First 2 pics were from early last year.  You can see just a hint of gold on that current pic from this year on last one.  (scuse the molting hen too...)



Thanks for the comprehensive reply! Yes, it is the feather shaft that gives the light appearance to our foot feathers. I'm glad you pointed that out in your note.

It is a gorgeous day today and I will try to take some pics that accurately reflect the underfluff of our youngsters.
 
You will often see almost white feathers on the feet sometimes in them. Another common thing is white feather shafting especially in the wing primaries. I remember reading about it in Sigi's book... page 59 they show a close picture. She specifically states in there that white feather shafts in primaries is not a fault, but gold in one feather is. If you ever bathe your silkies you will notice on their foot feathers, there are thick quills coming out of the foot. If that shafting on them is light, it gives the appearance of lighter feathers too. I showed a black pullet back in 2010 that I knew was a straight black breeding. She was a typey lil gal, but did have some light feathers on her feet. Under Eric Kutch, she took 4th out of 17 black pullets in a show up here. Later that fall I shipped her down to FL and she did VERY well at a major double show. Judge never said a word in either time about the color there. Personally I worry more about overall body type and feather quality than some of the nitpicky lil details that may only be 1-2 points in the scheme of things.

I'm also going to bring up another point from Sigi's book about blacks that many may find interesting. This is a direct quote from page 59 too... "A few coloured feathers in the rooster's hackle can't be prevented because of the genetical background. Most are melanized Asiatic partridges. In their first year cockerels have black hackle, but after hormonal maturity (18 months) and their second molt, gold or silver breaks through." Now I personally see this ALOT. I get rid of cockerels that show any hackle color in their first year. I have an amazing black boy that got it just a hint of gold as a 2 year old. The original breeder of that bird's parents said her old black male got his about 5 years old. I had another black male from a different line that I just passed on to another breeder last week. He was an early 2009 hatch and still was jet black. He was only my back-up though and I had another nice cockerel to replace him this year. Now if I listen to the old wyndotte and cochin breeders from my poultry club, they claim that if you have a cock with just a hint of gold emerging later on in life to use that bird in your breeding pen. Supposedly you will see your richest, darkest blacks from that crossing.
This is my 3 year old male... All those previous pics I showed would be babies from him. He's the one that devoloped just a slight gold as a 2 year old. Old guys must know something I guess. His babies are about as pitch black as you can get. First 2 pics were from early last year. You can see just a hint of gold on that current pic from this year on last one. (scuse the molting hen too...)


Thank you so much for this in depth info!
let move to blue and splash, so sick hearing about blacks its not even funny
Haha! Pretty funny! You started it!!
 

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