Silkie Pullet is bone thin, diarrhea, weak!

[Kiki]

Well, I wouldn't say I'm pumping her full of anything. And while Cocci protozoan do rely on some vitamins to thrive, so do the chickens - so it's also generally advised to continue vitamin support during treatment to assist in recovery.

At least in my experience and how I learned to rehabilitate birds.

The medication is usually effective enough disrupting protozoal DNA to counter any influence the presence of vitamins may have.

While treating for Cocci it is strongly advised to not offer vitamins until the treatment is over.

 

[fruitbrute]

Understood, but if it IS Cocci you're dealing with your untreated bird will still be suffering from it. If it were my bird, I'd treat her for it as well as the whole flock. Then follow up with probiotics and vitamins for a few days.

Again, Ronidazole is a highly effective antiprotozoal - coccidiosis is caused by coccidial protozoan. So she IS being treated for coccidiosis. The rest of the flock will be treated with Corid. And I always follow with vitamins and probiotics for 2 weeks after any medications are done.

I'm very confident in the efficacy of Ronidazole for Cocci and suspect it's lack of use in Poultry has to do with the fact that standards/approvals of drugs on birds used for human consumption are a bit different than in the pigeon hobby.

 

[Kiki]

 

[fruitbrute]

While treating for Cocci it is strongly advised to not offer vitamins until the treatment is over.

I've never heard that before, and again, per my explanation prior, have always offered vitamin support during treatments without incident.

 

[fruitbrute]

Not sure why you're frustrated, I've given you valid scientific explanations for the medications and choice of continued vitamin support.

Just because it's not something you're familiar with doesn't mean you should discredit or not believe the science behind it.

Again, admittedly my experience with chickens is limited, but that doesn't change the science behind the drugs or the biology of protozoans, bacteria, etc.

 

[Eggcessive]

There is really nothing in the Corid literature or directions to my knowledge that prohibits vitamins being given while on Corid treatment. It is a thiamine mimicer (is that even a word?) toward the coccidia organism, but all chicken feed contains thiamine or vitamin B1. I have never believed that giving thiamine would be harmful, but everone has their own opinion. It helps me to see warnings by the manufacturer or from a veterinarian textbook or source.

 

[Kiki]

This is quoted from the Plumbs Veterinary Drug Handbook

There is really nothing in the Corid literature or directions to my knowledge that prohibits vitamins being given while on Corid treatment. It is a thiamine mimicer (is that even a word?) toward the coccidia organism, but all chicken feed contains thiamine or vitamin B1. I have never believed that giving thiamine would be harmful, but everone has their own opinion. It helps me to see warnings by the manufacturer or from a veterinarian textbook or source.

Here ya go:
http://www.armchairpatriot.com/Home-Vet/Plumb's Veterinary Drug Handbook [Desk Ed.] 6th ed. - D. Plumb (Blackwell, 2008) WW.pdf

Page 62
Pharmacology/Actions section states:

EXCESSIVE thiamine in a diet can reduce or REVERSE the anticoccidial activity of the drug.
This is referring to AMPROLIUM....which is COIRD.

 

[Kiki]

So while my above proof is from a Vet book it is only referring to using Amprolium to treat.
But since the OP is really not even treating with it I guess it wouldn't matter.

BUT I too like proof from a credible source and there is not any to my knowledge about using those two specific drugs to treat Cocci.

 

[Kiki]

There is really nothing in the Corid literature or directions to my knowledge that prohibits vitamins being given while on Corid treatment. It is a thiamine mimicer (is that even a word?) toward the coccidia organism, but all chicken feed contains thiamine or vitamin B1. I have never believed that giving thiamine would be harmful, but everone has their own opinion. It helps me to see warnings by the manufacturer or from a veterinarian textbook or source.

So maybe all feed contains thiamine but if giving daily doses of poultry vitamins adds "so much" extra of that vitamin then the drug just may not work.

 

[Kiki]

Page 807 of that same book is about Ronidazole and how it is use to treat Tritrichomonas fetus infections. which is also prohibited in food animals. So don't ever eat your meat or eggs.