Silkie thread!

[alliandme]

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If that is the case, look to your breeder birds. I have not more nor less difficulties hatching silkies than other breeds. You might want to make sure your breeders are getting an excellent diet and added vitamins for 2-3 weeks before starting to collect eggs.

Her head isn't twisted or anything but she just can't hold it straight up or look straight ahead or look up. I am just very confused about the problem and what can cure it or is there a cure.

If this is a chick, then hold her in you palm with her spine straight. I had this problem with a chick who couldn't walk or hold his head properly, due to a crooked spine. We called him Archie due to how he arched his back in an attempt to hold his head up. He is now a lovley rooster that can attack and run at full speed, as well as hold up his head straight to crow.
Make sure you post results.

 

[Sonoran Silkies]

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If that is the case, look to your breeder birds. I have not more nor less difficulties hatching silkies than other breeds. You might want to make sure your breeders are getting an excellent diet and added vitamins for 2-3 weeks before starting to collect eggs.

I have just now added vitamins to their water and separated them day old from the older 1s. Anymore info on what to do to make her feel better.Thank You for all ya'lls help.The chicks are on cam at that link I had posted.Thank You!!!It will be the little Partridge that I'm speaking of.

I meant that you should make sure the potential parents have extra nutritious food and vitamins so that they are in excelllent health when creating the fertilized egg. For your little one, best ot post in the emergencies section. A photo might help.

 

[SilverSilkie]

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I have just now added vitamins to their water and separated them day old from the older 1s. Anymore info on what to do to make her feel better.Thank You for all ya'lls help.The chicks are on cam at that link I had posted.Thank You!!!It will be the little Partridge that I'm speaking of.

I meant that you should make sure the potential parents have extra nutritious food and vitamins so that they are in excelllent health when creating the fertilized egg. For your little one, best ot post in the emergencies section. A photo might help.

Exact what Sonoran says for the extra nutritions, only healthy parents produce healthy eggs.
An other thing to take good care of is that your incubator is disinfected. And higher the humidity in the incubator the last 3 days.

 

[Sonoran Silkies]

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it's so frustrating ... how people are so quick to judge its like o0 wait a minute. Sorry that happened to ya.

I hear you its sooooo annoying.

I realize that to you sharing photos of your newest pets is why you are here. But realize that many here post photos hoping for accurate critiques of potential. Giving a cutesy "oh so sweet" does not answer their purpose--they want to know whether their bird has potential for exhibition or breeding. If you ask "what do you think of my chick" or something similar, chances are that the people reading don't know that what you are looking for is not a real evaluation. No one is intending to hurt your feelings or denigrade your birds; what they are trying to do is answer the question they thought was being asked. Recognising that a bird has faults is important if you plan to breed or exhibit, and if your purpose is for the bird to be a pet, why would you care that someone acknowledged something that is accurate?

At the age of your chicks, it is impossible to really know how good the birds may become. You can pick out some faults from the beginning, but winning traits can sometimes take a lot of time to develop. Some birds DO start looking great really early, but not all birds that end up great show it early on.

 

[SilverSilkie]

And other thing that need to be said is, it not means when you buy 2 excellent Silkies (male and female) that these will produze excellent chicks.
Breeders build their tribes during years with much care for many different reasons as perfectionize the shape, the colorations, the health ... all this lay in the genes that we as breeder try to make the correct combinations with.
Keeping Silkies as pets is nice. Breeding Silkies is also nice. Breeding GOOD Silkies is an ART !

 

[SilverSilkie]

I try to make a visualisation of what is intended by breeding towards a potential good Silkie stock. (this is ONLY theoretical)

So a little theoretical maths to let see what it means to try to make an as close as possible reproduction of a in this example a as very good considered male Silkie.

1st generation => Father1 X Mother1 = 50% of father1 genes & 50% of mother1 genes
2th generation => Father1 X Daughter (with 50% of father1 genes) = 75% of father1 genes and 25% of mother1 genes
3th generation => Father1 X Daughter (with 75% of father1 genes) = 87,5% of father1 genes and 12,5% of mother1 genes
4th generation => Father1 X Daughter (with 87,5% of father1 genes) = 93,75% of father1 genes and 6,25% of mother1 genes
5th generation => Father1 X Daughter (with 93,75% of father1 genes) = 96,875% of father1 genes and 3,125% of mother1 genes
6th generation => Father1 X Daughter (with 96,875% of father1 genes) = 98,4375% of father1 genes and 1,5625% of mothers genes

As you can see after done 6 generations of "line-breeding" we come to +- 98,5% reproduction of that Father1 Silkie.
This is only a simple construction in theory, in practice we encounter many unforeseen difficulties.
There are also the genetic hereditary transmission mechanisms to count with such as Dominance, recessive, epistatic, incomplete dominance, sex-linked, crossing-over.
Is why I said breeding GOOD Silkies is an ART ;-)

 

[sager:)silkies]

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Do u really breed to the farther that many times i heard if u breed to family it makes ur birds weak and the come out deformed

 

[SilverSilkie]

sagersilkies :

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Do u really breed to the farther that many times i heard if u breed to family it makes ur birds weak and the come out deformed

What I tried to explain here was THEORETICAL, please read everything to not come to wrong conclusions.
About inbreeding, when a breeder want to "fixate" genes from external breed than must be done close family crosses.
Here I speak about color-gene needed for a coloration that not yet excist in our breed but is present in an other breed.
A too close family cross is brother X sister because in this way all the recessive genes can come to expression immediately (most genes that causes deformations are recessive).
When is done a controlled "line-breeding" father X daughter or mother X son than this is a relative secure way to do inbreeding without the negative effects of close inbreeding.
A breeder that go to create a "new" coloration in his breed set up different line-breeding tribes.
Mostely after the 3th generation "line-breeding" there is done a cross as between 2 different line-breeding birds to break the negative effects but by keeping most selected genes necessary for the creation of that wanted "new" coloration.

Selection breeding is knowing what you are doing, not just putting together a few chickens and hope for a miracle (read mutation). Learn about the color-genes and the hereditary transmission mechanisms before you start with this. Maybe you must look to it this way : we all find it normal that a vet has got a surgical training before he starts operate, he better not start the operation and after get his education.​

 

[cuntryuppiechick]

I love all of them. I have pet to show quality and find their awkward stage is when I take the most pictures. Just adorable.

 

[sager:)silkies]

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Do u really breed to the farther that many times i heard if u breed to family it makes ur birds weak and the come out deformed

What I tried to explain here was THEORETICAL, please read everything to not come to wrong conclusions.
About inbreeding, when a breeder want to "fixate" genes from external breed than must be done close family crosses.
Here I speak about color-gene needed for a coloration that not yet excist in our breed but is present in an other breed.
A too close family cross is brother X sister because in this way all the recessive genes can come to expression immediately (most genes that causes deformations are recessive).
When is done a controlled "line-breeding" father X daughter or mother X son than this is a relative secure way to do inbreeding without the negative effects of close inbreeding.
A breeder that go to create a "new" coloration in his breed set up different line-breeding tribes.
Mostely after the 3th generation "line-breeding" there is done a cross as between 2 different line-breeding birds to break the negative effects but by keeping most selected genes necessary for the creation of that wanted "new" coloration.

Selection breeding is knowing what you are doing, not just putting together a few chickens and hope for a miracle (read mutation). Learn about the color-genes and the hereditary transmission mechanisms before you start with this. Maybe you must look to it this way : we all find it normal that a vet has got a surgical training before he starts operate, he better not start the operation and after get his education.

or i was just curious cause i breed the same way but stop at the 2 generation and bring in new blood to stop deformities that's why i asked i didn't think u could do it for 6